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    Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 14:19

In todays world we have several peoples who can be said to be endangered. Most of them are indigenous peoples that have been decimated by the expansion and invasion from colonial powers and from the majority societies in those countries they live in.

Such peoples can be seen for example in the Americas, Pacific, Australia, Indian Ocean, but also in Africa and Asia.

Today are their cultures and lives severly threatened by exploiters, economic enterprises, settlers from the majority societies, diseases and environmental destruction of their land. Some are also threatened by cultural and religious imperialism, for example Christian mission or Muslim expansion.

Hopefully there are still time to save these peoples and their cultures so they will not be added to the already long list of extinct (physically and/or culturally) indigenous peoples.

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Swedish people is in danger of extinction as well.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Swedish people is in danger of extinction as well.
 
Hardly, especially not in comparison with peoples like the Onge or the Akuntsu or a lot of other small indigenous, tribal populations.
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What do you want to save, Mr. salvador... The genetics or the culture?
In the Americas, saving the genetics doesn't make much sense, because that is not extinguished at all.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

What do you want to save, Mr. salvador... The genetics or the culture?
In the Americas, saving the genetics doesn't make much sense, because that is not extinguished at all.
 
Well, sometimes it is hard to save the genetics, since people have a tendency to mix. But many times a people still have a special cultural heritage and a cultural identity. Sometimes though, these are connected (as for example the Jarawas or the Akuntsu are distinct peoples both genetically and culturally, and both their physical survival and cultures are threatened)..
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Saving the people and their freedom to make their own choices are the important things. That may indeed mean saving them from their own culture.
 
I guess you approve of letting tribes practice traditional female circumcision?
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Saving the people and their freedom to make their own choices are the important things. That may indeed mean saving them from their own culture.


I agree.
 
Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:


I guess you approve of letting tribes practice traditional female circumcision?


That's an african tradition, only.
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Do these peoples come under your definition of endangered:

 
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Saving the people and their freedom to make their own choices are the important things. That may indeed mean saving them from their own culture.


I agree.
 
Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:


I guess you approve of letting tribes practice traditional female circumcision?


That's an african tradition, only.
I doon't know about only. I'll agree mainly. But there was nothing in this thread to say it wasn't about African peoples. Carch is talking about all peoples everywhere I assume, unless he has ome list of pets of his own, in which case we should ignore it.
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Saving the people and their freedom to make their own choices are the important things. That may indeed mean saving them from their own culture.
 
I guess you approve of letting tribes practice traditional female circumcision?
 
All peoples change in one way or another. Some change can be to the better but some change is indeed to the worse. In several cases indigenous peoples have been dragged into a culture of powerty, of social problems they did not have before, into a worse situation concerning health and into a life with less freedom.
 
But you perhaps prefer a degrading life in some slum before a free healthy life in a natural environment?
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About peoples who are endangered one can ofcourse make different lists or define them somewhat differently, but perhaps one can start with some books that at least encompasses some of them:
  
 
 
 
Especially the peoples with very few members who face extermination, acculturation or complete assimilation could be said to be very endangered.
 
Here is something about Colombia where 34 indigenous peoples face extinction:
 
 
http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/6440


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Definitions, Carcha.
You use a political biassed language with expresions like "extermination". Even more, "extinction" doesn't mean a genocide, not even a single killing. It simply means Natives don't want to be "Indians" anymore and preffer to westernize themselves. They don't want to live starving in the jungles anymore, condemned to die at theirs twenties Confused..

You should wash your mouth with soap.
Otherwise, be consistent and recover your Viking traditions. Go ahead for your horned hard hat.



You better worry about your own tribesmen, that are increasingly becomming extinct.






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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Definitions, Carcha.
You use a political biassed language with expresions like "extermination". Even more, "extinction" doesn't mean a genocide, not even a single killing. It simply means Natives don't want to be "Indians" anymore and preffer to westernize themselves. They don't want to live starving in the jungles anymore, condemned to die at theirs twenties Confused..
 
Well, I only describe what is reality for some of the most endangered peoples, they face extermination and genocide (including killings). Others face displacement or more or less forced assimilation. In many countries the indigenous groups live on land that others want to take away from them, for settlement, farming, cattle ranching or to exploit natural resources like minerals, oil or timber. Others happen to live close to rivers that others want to exploit for hydroelectrical power in order to feed more exploitation of natural resources.
But several indigenous peoples fight back, they will not just be run over, so they organizie themselves, rally support and try to stop the onslaught.

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Obviously the dangers of radiation exposure due to recent "disasters" are more dire than anyone anticipated. Toxicity levels as encountered on this thread are troublesome indeed.
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The situation of the endangered peoples is worth attention.

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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Definitions, Carcha.
You use a political biassed language with expresions like "extermination". Even more, "extinction" doesn't mean a genocide, not even a single killing. It simply means Natives don't want to be "Indians" anymore and preffer to westernize themselves. They don't want to live starving in the jungles anymore, condemned to die at theirs twenties Confused..
 
Well, I only describe what is reality for some of the most endangered peoples, they face extermination and genocide (including killings). Others face displacement or more or less forced assimilation. In many countries the indigenous groups live on land that others want to take away from them, for settlement, farming, cattle ranching or to exploit natural resources like minerals, oil or timber. Others happen to live close to rivers that others want to exploit for hydroelectrical power in order to feed more exploitation of natural resources.
But several indigenous peoples fight back, they will not just be run over, so they organizie themselves, rally support and try to stop the onslaught.

Stop reading heroic fantasy and the Lord of the Ring, and get mature!
 
 
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

  
Stop reading heroic fantasy and the Lord of the Ring, and get mature! 
 
No fantasy, the struggle for survival for some peoples is just too real.
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Charity start by home... You better worry about the extinction of your people, rather than projecting the image how good you people is abroad... Come on, you are starting to look like a Canadian!!
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Charity start by home... 
 
Well, the world is our home, so the concern about threatened peoples has not to be confined by any borders.
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Give me a break. You don't own Chile and I don't own Sweden.

As I said before: you should wake up to reality.
Besides, just don't recall injustices that happened 100 years ago, for which there is no solution at all.
 
 
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Add people with common sense to the list.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Give me a break. You don't own Chile and I don't own Sweden.
 
Yes, and you do not own Chile and I do not own Sweden. But we are still allowed to react against opression, whereever it takes place.
 
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

  As I said before: you should wake up to reality.
Besides, just don't recall injustices that happened 100 years ago, for which there is no solution at all. 
 
Unfortunately there is a lot of injustices going on right now. Sometimes though, to proper understand what is going on now one also must look at the historical background.
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Add people with common sense to the list.


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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Add people with common sense to the list.


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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Add people with common sense to the list.
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You may add Gaddafi's family to the list they are truly endanger right now with NATO forces firing missile on their head. They might get extincted very soon.
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

In todays world we have several peoples who can be said to be endangered. Most of them are indigenous peoples that have been decimated by the expansion and invasion from colonial powers and from the majority societies in those countries they live in.

Such peoples can be seen for example in the Americas, Pacific, Australia, Indian Ocean, but also in Africa and Asia.

Today are their cultures and lives severly threatened by exploiters, economic enterprises, settlers from the majority societies, diseases and environmental destruction of their land. Some are also threatened by cultural and religious imperialism, for example Christian mission or Muslim expansion.

Hopefully there are still time to save these peoples and their cultures so they will not be added to the already long list of extinct (physically and/or culturally) indigenous peoples.



All cultures exist in a state of flux rather than stasis. And this is a very good thing, as the world changes constantly and so people within must adapt to those altered circumstances.

Cultures which are overly conservative and inward looking are bound to be destroyed more readily than those which are dynamic, innovative, outward looking and prone to adapt to changing circumstances.

Cultures on the periphery (those away from the centre of control of resources and ideas) must decide on how they wish to respond to those challenges. If they fail to adequately develop a workable means of managing external pressures, then outside polities which compete for power and resources will be the ones which manage the peripheral community's response to wider changes within the environment.

Important also on this topic is the point that communities rarely make decisions as a whole, particularly in the developing world. Decision making power is more often held by hereditary elites or cliques which also wish to preserve their own privileges even at the expense of the bulk of the community they administer. It would be wrong for us to consider the welfare of these cliques to equal the welfare of the entire community they claim to represent.

Not all communities are equally vulnerable to external pressures, but all communities are faced with external pressures. The spread of Latino culture within the United States may not be as much of a radical change to the existing order as the arrival of missionaries in a remote Amazon community, but it is still an external force that requires management. Any given entity's ability to manage external pressures depends upon how successful it has been in developing its own resource base and a culture which is dynamic, flexible and responsive to the needs of its people. The United States has amassed vast resources and has developed a sophisticated and adaptable culture, and so is well placed to accommodate external cultural pressures it is faced with. The remote Amazon tribe, poor in resources and most probably with a highly inward looking and isolated culture, is less able to resist potential cultural encroachment.

Just a few thoughts.
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The "Latino culture" is nothing more than a variation of the Western Civilization. Exotic just in the outside.
 
 
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