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    Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 01:26
The new discovery shows etruscans are proto turkic tribes, and they produced the Roman empire. Why today Italians dont categorize under turkic group?
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Because they eat more pizza than they do lahmacun, have cooler cars in Roma and say things in Italian like 'molto bene' when they like something. Otherwise, your assumption is mi cattiva.

Edited by Seko - 15 Jun 2011 at 02:12
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Because their evil, anti-Turkish overlords fear what would become of the stranglehold they currently hold over their poor, crypto-Turkish subjects if they realized that their lands were rightly another piece -- really more of a satellite state -- of what will soon be inaugurated as the Greater Turanian Empire!

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Originally posted by Ergenekon Ergenekon wrote:

The new discovery shows etruscans are proto turkic tribes, and they produced the Roman empire. Why today Italians dont categorize under turkic group?


Because not even serious Turkish linguists would claim that. My wife is turkish and it is much easier for her to understand spoken mongolian or any other altaic language than Etruscan. Basically, Etruscan has no connection to any known language. The same goes for Sumerian and Eteo-Cypriot (if we can call like that the language of Amathus) who are language isolates.
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Whats next, new proof that the Sun language theory is correct?
 
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Btw, where is that new discovery? I forgot to ask... Who is claiming it? Personally, I have seen nothing around and I am supposed to be up2date concerning such issues.
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Flipper some of that stuff is floating around the internet. Have your wife translate this:

http://uqusturk.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/etruskler-turk-mu-roma-yunan-medeniyetinin-kullerinden-uygarlik-kurdugu-etruskler/

and listen to this:

http://www.facebook.com/UQUS.TURK
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I read it on internet. There is linguists working in this topic and found etruscan a turkic related language. There are some historic founding about etruscans related to Proto Turkic migrations in italy. many italians people have etruscan heritage and they are related to proto turkic tribes. there is a theory about all proto turkic people came long ago to europe some of them became etruscans some go to north and became uralic people. Sami people and finlandians are uralic and relate to turkic poeple. Italian people are familar to turkic people they look very like each other while in south italy people are very familar to Turks from Turkey.
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Originally posted by Ergenekon Ergenekon wrote:

I read it on internet. There is linguists working in this topic and found etruscan a turkic related language. There are some historic founding about etruscans related to Proto Turkic migrations in italy. many italians people have etruscan heritage and they are related to proto turkic tribes. there is a theory about all proto turkic people came long ago to europe some of them became etruscans some go to north and became uralic people. Sami people and finlandians are uralic and relate to turkic poeple. Italian people are familar to turkic people they look very like each other while in south italy people are very familar to Turks from Turkey.


Well, once I read on the internet that Atlantis was in the USA and that it was a great government secret. Even the first Pyramids were build in the USA according this guy who had also published a book about it. Everything you read on the internet is not necessarily true. Not even in the newspapers. It was Milliyet if I am not wrong that published an article some months ago telling that a German newspaper wrote that Turks had reached Germany 7000 years ago. The original article was actually referring to farmers from Anatolia who spread farming to Europe at that time. That would actually mean ancestors of the Hatti, Hurrians and Urartu and not Turks.

In any case, Etruscans were supposed to come from Lydia to Italy. That's what historical tradition tells us. Recently it was proven that cows in Tuscany are related with cows in Turkey, which would give a  suspicion that Etruscans could be responsible for this. However, Etruscans were not proto-Turkic people simply because it is impossibe for the following reasons: a) proto-Turkic people had not spread that far at that time, b) Their language is completely alien to Altaic languages.

The fact that southern Italians (or generally Italians) have similar looks with Turks of Turkey is because generally the line between Italy, Albania, Greece and western Anatolia has people that look very much like each other. That is not because they are Turks but people in these areas look like this. Furthermore, many of these people became subjects of the Ottomans and therefore it is natural to see similarities between Turks from Turkey and people of the eastern Mediterranean. However, they do not look at all similar to Turkic people of central Asia.

In any case, you should see yourself that Etruscan is not proto-Turkic and not just rely on what people write on the Internet without giving sources for it. Just have a look at these Etruscan phrases and have your own conclusions.


Etruscan
Ita tmia icac heramasva vatiehe Unial-Astres, themiasa meh thuta

Turkish
Bu tapinak ve Hermes idolleri kabile uyeleri tarafindan insa edilmis olup Uni-Astre'ye ithaf edilmistir.

English
That temple and these Hermes idols are dedicated to Uni-Astre, built by the people of the clan.



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Nac Thefarie Veliiunas thamuce cleva etunal Masan tiur, Unias selace

Turkish
Tiberius Velianas  Masan ayinda  tapinagin heykelini insa ettiginde , Uni bundan hosnut  oldu.

English
When Tiberius Velianas had built the statue of the sanctuary in the month of Masan, Uni was pleased.



As you can see above, grammar, words and word order are completely alien to each other.
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Flipper I do enjoy your posts, even though - or perhaps especially because - they deal so precisely with territory with which I am not familiar.


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It hes been proofed Etruscans are Turks. Why do you don't accept? Europeans are ascared to admet the facts. read more books.
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Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:

In any case, you should see yourself that Etruscan is not proto-Turkic and not just rely on what people write on the Internet without giving sources for it. Just have a look at these Etruscan phrases and have your own conclusions.


Etruscan
Ita tmia icac heramasva vatiehe Unial-Astres, themiasa meh thuta

Turkish
Bu tapinak ve Hermes idolleri kabile uyeleri tarafindan insa edilmis olup Uni-Astre'ye ithaf edilmistir.

English
That temple and these Hermes idols are dedicated to Uni-Astre, built by the people of the clan.


Good example. It should also be mentioned that the Turkish language is for the most part a hybrid of Arabic, Farsi, and even Latin. This means that even the small amount of words that are similar between Turkish/Etruscan/English is due to the amount of Indo-European loan words in the Turkish language via Farsi and Latin.

For example, in old Ottoman Turkish (the version of Turkish that my parents speak) the word for school was Makteb. This word comes from Arabic.

In modern Turkish, the word for school is Okul. This word comes from Ecole, which is French/Latin. What I'm trying to say is we cannot compare modern Turkish to Etruscan when both Ottoman & modern Turkish have heavy foreign influence as far as the vocabulary goes. Any similarity between words is most likely due to Turkish adoption, not the other way around.
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Originally posted by Ergenekon Ergenekon wrote:

It hes been proofed Etruscans are Turks. Why do you don't accept? Europeans are ascared to admet the facts. read more books.


I've read so many books on the languages of the region that my head is going to explode soon. If Etruscans were Turks can you please catch any words from Etruscan texts? You can see it yourself in the examples above that Turkish and Etruscan are not related at all. In fact except from the names you cannot even guess which words are the turkish equivalents. Even the  (theta) sound of the Etruscan is not existing in Altaic languages. Please, don't fool yourself.


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Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival ArmenianSurvival wrote:

Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:

In any case, you should see yourself that Etruscan is not proto-Turkic and not just rely on what people write on the Internet without giving sources for it. Just have a look at these Etruscan phrases and have your own conclusions.


Etruscan
Ita tmia icac heramasva vatiehe Unial-Astres, themiasa meh thuta

Turkish
Bu tapinak ve Hermes idolleri kabile uyeleri tarafindan insa edilmis olup Uni-Astre'ye ithaf edilmistir.

English
That temple and these Hermes idols are dedicated to Uni-Astre, built by the people of the clan.


Good example. It should also be mentioned that the Turkish language is for the most part a hybrid of Arabic, Farsi, and even Latin. This means that even the small amount of words that are similar between Turkish/Etruscan/English is due to the amount of Indo-European loan words in the Turkish language via Farsi and Latin.

For example, in old Ottoman Turkish (the version of Turkish that my parents speak) the word for school was Makteb. This word comes from Arabic.

In modern Turkish, the word for school is Okul. This word comes from Ecole, which is French/Latin. What I'm trying to say is we cannot compare modern Turkish to Etruscan when both Ottoman & modern Turkish have heavy foreign influence as far as the vocabulary goes. Any similarity between words is most likely due to Turkish adoption, not the other way around.


Basically, a good example of Indoeuropean loans that you mention is the word "idolleri" which means idol. Generally, you are right. The comparison should be made with old Turkish. However, Etruscan has no relationship whatsoever with any language except Lemnian (If it is not an Etruscan dialect itself).
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yes it is crect dont ignore it
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etruscan people pro turkisc people  turkic language  go back to sun language new dna show who today live west turkey dna mach %100 so before you ignor it  investigate turkic history witout any  proveke
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote atilla9 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 13:28
you r rong my friend i got very good solid evidance by university italy if youlike i can share withyou send you adres fotokopi whic profoser genetic research dna test on therir italian descendants show the tusci came from turkey jhon hooper in rome monday june 18 2007  you try find this end read it  universitey of turin other thinks turkish language any other language yes mix but we tallking about pro turkish language so  no hybrit with arab,greek,armenian, english when you talking about history you make suur dont keep a said
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because they are ignore it
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If any body interesting about turkic and etrusci (tusci) i got solid evidance  from university of turin this  evidance find by murlo and volterra so cut of  nonsen every body writing any thing by internet they not interesthing true history only insult turkish history  i can send fotokopi every one who want to know true or gotu bbc find new the guardian arcive john hooper in rome monday jube 18 2007 date base read about news okAngry
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you got my sources so there is no ignore i hope
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This is so embarrassing. And a good explanation for why states should keep their hands off from history.





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Originally posted by Ergenekon Ergenekon wrote:

It hes been proofed Etruscans are Turks. Why do you don't accept? Europeans are ascared to admet the facts. read more books.

Some people would take some offense to such a blanket statement, but I try to get to the point you're trying to make.

Maybe some would fear this idea, but I don't think most would care one way or another. For example, it's been long-established and -accepted most European languages are Indo-European and that the languages, and some degree culture, originated in a place in Asia much farther east than Turkey.
I think the issue here is that not enough academics agree with you. If I saw enough evidence for it I would certainly accept it, and I think others would too. However, right now I think most the evidence shows Etruscan is unrelated to Indo-European or Turkic langauges.

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