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    Posted: 18 Aug 2010 at 10:25
As a comparison with the Avatar movie I recently watched the old cartoon Fern Gully. As many pointed out the two movies had a lot of similarities.
 
When I saw Fern Gully, which is a rather nice movie with an ecological touch, I got somewhat irritated though about the ethnocentrism of many western movies, even if they have a good intention like this one. In the movie we follow a  group of fairies or spirits of nature who lives in a rainforest somewhere in Australia. During the film they have to protect this forest against an evil spirit of destruction and greedy humans.
But what one really can wonder over is why these natural Australian spirits are portraid as Europeans, with white skin, blue or green eyes and straight hair in different colorations. Would it not be more true to portray Australian spirits of nature in a more aboriginal fashion, to portray them more like the original inhabitants of the continent? Maybe they could have been more like the spirits and beings in Patricia Wrightsons Wirrun books which are inspired by Australian aboriginal mythology.
 
So even if the cartoon has an ecological message it unfortunately also gives a message that the true spirit of the Australian land is an European one.
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Here are some clips if anyone is wondering what I am talking about:
 
 


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Fern Gully precedes Pocahontas which precedes Avatar.

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Pocahontas precedes them all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontas 
"There was glory in pissing, Corabb decided as he watched the stream curve out and make that familiar but unique sound as it hit the ground." So true.
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Movie wise, Fern Gully precedes Pocahontas
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"There was glory in pissing, Corabb decided as he watched the stream curve out and make that familiar but unique sound as it hit the ground." So true.
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Here is a site where they compare Fern Gully (1992), Pocahontas (Disneys version from 1995 ) and Avatar (from 2009):
 
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But still the question of European looking Australian spirits remain. Why not aboriginal looking spirits of the land?
 
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My reference to Pocahontas was the Disney movie, which is later than Fern Gully. I did not know about the 1910 version, so it looks like I have learned something today.

Still, I must wonder how much impact a silent movie from 1910 had on shaping a much later animated and voiced movie like Fern Gully created close to 100 years later.
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Here is a site where they compare Fern Gully (1992), Pocahontas (Disneys version from 1995 ) and Avatar (from 2009):
 
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But still the question of European looking Australian spirits remain. Why not aboriginal looking spirits of the land?
 


I can't answer that question Carch? But i do have one of my own. Why do supposive Australian spirits have American accents? I have my suspicions... hmmmm
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Here is a site where they compare Fern Gully (1992), Pocahontas (Disneys version from 1995 ) and Avatar (from 2009):
 
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But still the question of European looking Australian spirits remain. Why not aboriginal looking spirits of the land?
 


I can't answer that question Carch? But i do have one of my own. Why do supposive Australian spirits have American accents? I have my suspicions... hmmmm
 
Yes, interesting question since the books of Diana Young that the movie is based upon also are Australian. The movie is also at least part Australian (seems to be a coproduction).


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It is a fact that when Aborigines encountered Europeans for the first time, they did regard them as being the returned spirits of their ancestors.

Of course, this illusion disappeared soon after.
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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

It is a fact that when Aborigines encountered Europeans for the first time, they did regard them as being the returned spirits of their ancestors.

Of course, this illusion disappeared soon after.
 
It is always easy to interpret the unknown as something supernatural. Also in our society such things occur now and then.
 
 


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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

It is a fact that when Aborigines encountered Europeans for the first time, they did regard them as being the returned spirits of their ancestors.

Of course, this illusion disappeared soon after.
 
It is always easy to interpret the unknown as something supernatural. Also in our society such things occur now and then.


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By the way, do you know of any cartoons that are really based on Australian aboriginal mythology? 
 
Has there been any attempts to film Patricia Wrightsons Wirrun books?


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While I have seen cartoons which depict the Aboriginal Dreamtime (animations and cartoons are perhaps the best way of portraying the mythological nature of some of the Aboriginal stories), I am not familiar with the ones you are referring to.
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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

While I have seen cartoons which depict the Aboriginal Dreamtime (animations and cartoons are perhaps the best way of portraying the mythological nature of some of the Aboriginal stories), I am not familiar with the ones you are referring to.
 
Patricia Wrightsons Wirrun books are fantasy books based on aboriginal myths and mythological figures. The books are set in our time and are about an aboriginal young man and his dealings with these mythological beings.
 
 
 
 
About Patricia Wrightson:
 


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But we also have a lot of other European spirits-whiskey, gin, rum.Tongue
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