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    Posted: 12 Nov 2010 at 19:50
What I have in mind here is western, not least Obamas, good intended and "understanding" utterings towards what often is called the "muslim world" - in fact only a part of the real world.
Why I have some doubts about the dialogue? A deep impression of bad intentions from great and powerful part of the "muslim" region (though not at all everybody there). Example: Dsicriminatory laws and practices in  great parts of that cultural region of the world are ignored, at the same time there is a great demand of more "rights" for muslims in other parts of the world, especially Western Europe. Indonesia has the largest population, while Pakistan probably come in as a second.
Since Pakistan is a country with blasphemy laws with death penalty, that alone gives reason to questions about dialogue or cooperation (example regarding the probably millions of pakistani ex-pats and their descendants).
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So if muslims don't have rights in their own countries it legitimises the case for not giving them rights in your? You do know that blasphamy laws apply to muslims only.
 
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Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

So if muslims don't have rights in their own countries it legitimises the case for not giving them rights in your? You do know that blasphamy laws apply to muslims only.
 
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No, what I just read today goes against Your statrement, since it is about a christian pakistani (one Asia Bibi) about to be hanged for "insults" of the profet Mohammed (I would be surprised if it is not entirely made up). Then there is the targetting of Iraqi Christians, though perhaps noone from the government or parties are behind?)


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You brought one case in one country. there are 51 other countries (49 excluding SA and Iran) where this doesn't happen.
 
As for christians being targetted, give me a break. In Iraq terrorists killed 100k plus muslims of both sects, the Mandaeis suffered 10 times as much as christians there (we didn't see France or Germany racing to save them as they did to the "oppressed" christians) and in Lebanon muslims are 2nd class citizens despite being +60% of the population. Can we say the same about muslims in Denmark?
 
You begin this argument from a flawed assumption of moral superiority of the west, the fact of the matter is that it is not true, pure and simple.
 
 
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Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

You brought one case in one country. there are 51 other countries (49 excluding SA and Iran) where this doesn't happen.
 
As for christians being targetted, give me a break. In Iraq terrorists killed 100k plus muslims of both sects, the Mandaeis suffered 10 times as much as christians there (we didn't see France or Germany racing to save them as they did to the "oppressed" christians) and in Lebanon muslims are 2nd class citizens despite being +60% of the population. Can we say the same about muslims in Denmark?
 
You begin this argument from a flawed assumption of moral superiority of the west, the fact of the matter is that it is not true, pure and simple.
 
 
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What is "fact"? That many countries fail to give their inhabitants conditions they find acceptable. Then that part of population arrives in Europe and there is great demand for supposed "rights"?
But instead of immediately discussing "moral superiority/inferiority" one may discuss what best to do. Is the current tendency toward "global community" of the good and will it continue for long?
Or should one part of the world separate more from other or all from each other. More restrictions on either trade, financial movements or movements of people of any kind (emi/immigration, travel, vistits, studiyng, tourism - a closed gates policy from either middle eastern part, european part, northamerican or all of them towards each other. And what of the organs of dialogue - if the dialogue ar real at all? Should they be played down? Then we could exclude each other from cooperative organs, like some UN-organs (You may exclude european countries, and they may do the same against northafrican and Middle eastern ones).
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