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    Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 10:38
Was the French Revolution begun by conservatives of liberal?   
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Conservatives didn't really exist until the counter revolution, right?
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I agree with Vanuatu.

The concept of conservative at the time would, IMHO, have been supporters of the status quo, that is, the monarchy.

Liberalism arrived with the revolution, allowing the populous a greater say in their society, in theory anyway.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

I agree with Vanuatu.

The concept of conservative at the time would, IMHO, have been supporters of the status quo, that is, the monarchy.

Liberalism arrived with the revolution, allowing the populous a greater say in their society, in theory anyway.
Yes.
The liberals were the "sans-culottes" ladies who were scrappers, starving and free of their skivvies, just out whoring.Embarrassed The Clergy (so called conservatives in 1789) much preferred organized ritual killing to spontaneous mass slaughters in the streets by the sans culottes. 
Influenced by the men of God, even as Robespierre once proclaimed the the liberty of all men, he undertook the systematic murder of thousands who fell short of Liberty bc they were out of step with the wishes of the State. And the "Council of Safety" led by Robespierre denied individual rights to those who opposed the state and "The Terrors" were visited on anyone who spoke against State or tried to retain their property or flee. 
The details of the slaughter are quite inhuman, reminiscent of Nazis running out of ammo and looking for the least personal way to murder thousands of poor and rich alike. The methods are similar to those used during The Rape of Nan King.


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Were philosophes conservatives?  Or were they just another form of casualty?
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The French Revolution kind of reads like an agonizing birth. Sort of Marxism or Communism(some are more equal than others) just pure terror, long before the so- called Terror. The leaders who encouraged so much violence typically found themselves being sliced or bludgeoned or gang raped ad hoc. Indiscriminate massacres did incite assassinations of the personal/political hatred sort. Victor Hugo called the men who were responsible for the Terror "civilization's savages"- ideas about violence justified are common as war.

Everyone is entitled to enjoy the advantages of so­cie­ty, but only those who contribute to the public es­tab­lishment are true stockholders (actionnaires) of the great so­cial en­terprise. They alone are truly active cit­izens, true members of the association” (Siéyès, 1789, 193-194).
On Dec. 22, 1789, the National Assembly formally excluded women from the right to vote. And when in 1793, the Society of Republi­can-Revolutionary Wo­men was formed and began to agitate for the rights of women, the Com­mittee on Public Safety appointed a com­mit­tee to consider whether women should exer­cise politi­cal rights and whe­ther they should be allowed to take part in po­litical clubs. The answer to both would be no. The com­mittee deemed that women did not have “the moral and physical qual­ities” to exercise political rights (George, 1976-77, 434).
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Regarding women and the right to vote, there was a belief that what was represented was the family, not every adult of voting age.  Men, when they came of age, moved out of the house, got married and formed their own families.  Women, however, stayed with the family until marriage.  The head of the household, had the vote, it was assumed that women, if they had the vote, would vote the same as their men.  So part of not having "the moral and physical qualities" was the inability in the face of a potentially domineering and physically stronger male, of coming up with an independent, well articulated logical opinion.
Or, of course, we could allow every one of voting age, to vote, but you can see that that was thought to give large families with lots of girls, an advantage.  They obviously did not factor in how onrey and self-opinionated women can be.  Of course, we don't have to worry about large families with girls anymore, having destroyed the family unitWink


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