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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote drgonzaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 15:29
Hmmm...I suspect an overdose of Spike TV is at work here.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alpha NOVA Omega Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 05:42
Gladiator wins 1v1. 

Anyone with martial or combat experience know that. Legionaires win when fighting in formation though. Its like putting a MMA/boxer/thai boxer against a soldier. The pro fighter wins 1v1.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alpha NOVA Omega Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Sep 2015 at 05:47
I dislike people saying that soldiers "fight dirty". Anyone can fight dirty. A kick in the balls. Gouging of the eyes. Finger joint manipulations. etc. So what? A kung fu fighter can beat a ufc fighter because the kung fu guy knows how to fight dirty? Bullsh*t.
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Gladiators have a robust image these days but many of them were very lacklustre fighters. Very few get mentioned as expert fighters and the statistics show that the worst quickly got weeded out by attritiion.  In the Roman sources there are mentions of poor arena performance. In one Caligula berates a handful for being wimps. One of them picked up a trident and slew the others, no doubt in an effort both to restore his and his owners honour, but also as an attempt to avoid any further contest as punishment. As it happens Caligula was appalled at the slaughter (and that from a man who is said to have killed gladiators in practice bouts)

The problem with gladiators in battle is that they were never trained to fight as a body, whereas that was the focus of legionary training (as limited as it was - forget all this nonsense of legionaries and superb training - it's all hype. The Romans trained them to a very limited basic standard and repeated until the worst idiots could fight in their sleep, but as swordsmen, their repetoire was not expansive. In fact, from the late Republic onward there are mentions of gladiators used to train legionaries in sword play. Probably this had little practical effect other than to keep bored legionaries interested and busy - though I do note the papallel development of gladiator and legionary shortswords)

Also, gladiators were not considered suitable as soldiers, with very rare appearances on the battlefield in any other capacity than bodyguards. As slaves, they were not legally human, and thus to have them line up for battle with citizen soldiers would be seen as insulting. During the Year of Four Emperors (ad69), one unit of gladiators was raised to dfend Rome against a usurping army. They were scheduled to make a suprise attack across a river at night. The officers, feeling outraged that they were commanding slaves, abandoned their command, but the gladiators went ahead and were ambushed by a suprisingly well informed usurping army.
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Caligula is a fraud and one should not be surprised at how many gladiators he killed. Its all a set up to make him look good. Who knows? Perhaps he disabled the gladiators and killed them.

Gladiators > Roman legions. 
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In one case he is said to have fought a practice bout with a gladiator armed with a wooden practice sword. The gladiator did not seem to be making much of an effort to win and a bored Caligula stabbed him with a real dagger, picking up a palm leaf and running around pretending to be the victor of an arena contest. In one case he simply used one poor gladiatorial soul to test his own recipe for poison, which Caligula duly named after the dead man.

Caligula is a fraud? An interesting idea, though I'm not sure what you mean. His position as top dog wasn't fraudulent (although in fairness it was said that the praetorian prefect Sertorius Macro finished Tiberius off so Caligula could take power). It is true he enjoyed holding auctions, especially when he was able to sell other peoples property (and got one snoozing senator to pay a huge sum for a slave as he took his bobbing head for a nod).

He did play act too. Not just as a gladiator, but also as the conquering general. He organised enactments on the Germanic frontier, and whilst he did raise three legions to invade Britain and marched them to the coast, their unwillingness to flout superstition by embarking to cross the Channel was met with a demand that these errant soldiers should search for sea shells on the beach, since Neptune was clearly more of an enemty than the Britons and thus Calgula demanded a victory and booty from his 'conquest'. This last is sometimes used as evidence of insanity but really it was a huge joke and no small insult toward the legions who refused his orders (the same three legions later went across at the orders of Claudius, but yes, they mutinied against him to start with too).

A dangerous man to be near but the crowd loved him. Sadly his sense of humour brought about his downfall. Cassius Chaerea, a soldier who had risen to top command by virtuous service and a veteran of campaigns in Germania, had the misfortune of having a soft voice. Caligula mocked him mercilessly and not too suprisingly Cassius was one of the conspirators who stabbed Caligula to death.
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