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    Posted: 06 Jun 2014 at 06:36
Israel is at it again (or should we say still?) seizing more land in Palestine for settlement. One can't help making the comparison with Russia grabbing the Crimea. There is outrage in the latter case, although Russia does have some modest demographic and historic claim. In the rather more blatant case of Israel, carefully worded and muted statements are offered, and then matter dropped.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/israel-announces-new-settlement-expansion-20146553145984773.html
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Russia has a prior claim to the Crimea, whther or not you agree with recent events, as Catherine the Great annexed it for Russia back in the day, and the excuse for recovering the territory was the supposed intent of protecting the russian speaking peoples who inhabited that area, particularly as they had disagreed with political changes in the Ukraine and wanted either independence or a return to Russia.

Israel is probably a little different. They've always been a somewhat belligerent nation (if it comes to it, there's always been a belligerent population there historically), and don't like the anti-semitic ranting of their middle eastern neighbours. Israel really does have reason to defend itself though I confess I don't know much about their territorial desires and actions. In some respects Israel is securing areas for strategic and security reasons, though there are continual news stories of settling areas other peoples regard as theirs, highlighted in recent decades by the desire of the Palestinians to found their own nation.

I suppose I can't be too erudite about Israel, but as an important comment on the comparison given above, annexations often occur for national self interest, and often happen prior to something more overt, but then again, we live in a settled world with defined boundaries, and not everyone is happy with what they've got. Given that human tribal behaviour does tend to create annexations again and again, perhaps we shouldn't be suprised. Whether that's right is another thing, but boys will be boys.
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Yes, boys will be boys.......but the mistake I believe Israelis made was that the concept of colonialism would still be OK in the mid 20th century. In fact, it was already going out of fashion, in some cases in spectacular fashion. The brutalized Jewish population of 1945 wanted a country, perhaps not surprisingly at that point, given historical events, but they assumed that the Arab inhabitants of Palestine would roll over and play dead, or at least acquiesce in the same fashion as third world areas had done to date, for the most part. The mistake they made was that the world was changing at that point, and the idea of westerners grabbing land from undeserving locals was not going to go any more. Here was the crux of the issue.

Fast forward to 2014, and Palestinians, and most Arab countries, and a considerable part of the world, have still not accepted the idea of grabbing a region under the pretext of historical right, contemporary need, or outright military supremacy. 

This is now the conundrum we face, with Israel refusing to move on negotiations, as long as they have a nuclear weapons monopoly in the mid-east, and also the complete backing of purchased American politicians.

How it will end, we don't know. It is ominous that nuclear weapons seem to be on the threshold of rapid proliferation in the mid east, and that will change the balance in a terrible and drastic way.
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Wouldn't Russia do a song and dance if the US (by arrangement) annexed the Ukraine?
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I think not.
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