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Are there any great victories for the Persian Empire, my knowledge on them is limited I'm afraid. I would figure being an empire once as great as theirs, they must have some victories worth mentioning.

As for my Country I would have to go with Bunker (Breed's) Hill even though the odds werent too heavy on the Americans.

(an American Thermopylae sort of like the Alamo and Wake Island)

While the result was a victory for the British, they suffered a large amount of losses: over 800 wounded and 226 killed, including a notably large number of officers. Their immediate objective (the capture of Bunker Hill) was achieved, but did not significantly alter the state of siege. It did, however, demonstrate that relatively inexperienced Colonial forces were willing and able to stand up to government troops in a pitched battle.

This battle is significant because although the Americans technichally lost the battle, it was a spiritual victory that would inspire us to fight on.
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Originally posted by Craze_b0i Craze_b0i wrote:

Ok just to say I have created a list at the top of the thread incorporating all the suggestions...
 
What about Italy... obviously something from the Roman era?
 
What of Holland? I know nothing of Dutch history... I am guessing the Dutch revolt against Spain or perhaps something else?


The Second Anglo-Dutch War ended in a decisive victory for the Dutch. Following this the Dutch navy remained as the largest in the world and their domination of world trade continued until 1713. Particularly noteworthy are the many triumphs of Admiral Michiel de Ruyter, who is considered one of the most accomplished admirals in history.

If you include the Flemish there is the Battle of Golden Spurs in 1302, where the Flemish militia defeated the knights of France, much helped by the arrogance of the French commander. The battle is named after the large amount of golden spurs collected collected by the Flemish following the defeat of a great many French noblemen.

Speaking of France, and disregarding the Napoleonic era, the medieval kingdom of France enjoyed a number of triumphs that laid the foundations of future greatness. In the Battle of Bouvines in 1214 Philip II and his vassals defeated a 25k strong army sent against him by the united forces of the Holy Roman Empire, England, Flanders and Boulogne. After this victory Philip was able to seize control of several provinces central to the existence of a French kingdom; Anjoy, Maine, Normandy, Brittany and Touraine. A decisive moment in the history of France.
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Originally posted by Sun Tzu Sun Tzu wrote:

Are there any great victories for the Persian Empire, my knowledge on them is limited I'm afraid. I would figure being an empire once as great as theirs, they must have some victories worth mentioning.


Study the reigns of the Shahanshahs Cyrus I and Darius I; the Achaemenids conquered the Middle East, Egypt and Anatolia. If you're thinking of the Sassanid era, study the reigns of Shapur I and II, and Chosroes I. The Sassanids scored several major victories over their archrivals the Romans and the Gökturks, as well as their forebears the Parthians.

Originally posted by Sun Tzu Sun Tzu wrote:

As for my Country I would have to go with Bunker (Breed's) Hill even though the odds werent too heavy on the Americans.

(an American Thermopylae sort of like the Alamo and Wake Island)

While the result was a victory for the British, they suffered a large amount of losses: over 800 wounded and 226 killed, including a notably large number of officers. Their immediate objective (the capture of Bunker Hill) was achieved, but did not significantly alter the state of siege. It did, however, demonstrate that relatively inexperienced Colonial forces were willing and able to stand up to government troops in a pitched battle.

This battle is significant because although the Americans technichally lost the battle, it was a spiritual victory that would inspire us to fight on.


There are many American triumphs; the Independence War, the Indian Wars and wars against Mexico and Spain, but the greatest has to be WW2, where they fought on two fronts against the two strongest Axis powers and won. Granted, the European front was an allied success that wouldn't have been possible without Soviet invading from the other side, but the US contribution was the most significant among the Western allies and all the while they were fighting their own war in the Pacific. This is where the old order was broken and the US emerged as the foremost power in the world, it's common knowledge.

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Yes the Americans had great success in the Pacific. They had some piddling help fighting the old Jap. A large number of Jap troops were kept a tad busy in China, and those little British, and Indian soldiers had a little skirmish in Burma, and those Australians potted a Japanese soldier two down in the South Pacific. Infact for quiet a while it was British/Indian and Australian troops who were engaging the Jap in Burma and the South Pacific while waiting for the US to build up numbers and come in and save there collective arses. It wasn't till the invasion of the Phillipines that MacArther had enough US troops to perform a mainly US operation in the South Pacific.
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I see, I wasn't aware of the allied contribution in the Pacific, but I plan to read Nemesis by Max Hastings in the near future and get a little more educated on the topic. So far I've only studied that war from the Japanese perspective.
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Nemesis is well worth the read. It is very unflatering about the Australians, (it cause quiet a stir in Australia when it was published) but what it say's is true. Australia did end WW2 on a very low note, it's troops mopping up cut off Japanese, moral very low in Army and Airforce, but during 1942-43 Australia played a major part in the war against Japan. I didn't mean to be rude on that last post, but Australia was (an is) still a small nation in terms of population. We spilt alot of blood in the two world wars (not to mention Korea and Vietnam) and I hate to see my country mens efforts overlooked.
 
The US performance during the second world war was outstanding in both Europe and Pacific, and Australia and many other nations owe alot to the hundreds of thousands of US servicemen and women who served.  WW2 was the United States finest hour.
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Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:


There are many American triumphs; the Independence War, the Indian Wars and wars against Mexico and Spain


Still their greatest loss were against indians (Native Americans) in 1791.
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In Chile:
 
(1) During the 15th century, a century before the Spaniards arrived, the Inca Tupac Yupanqui send an expedition to conquest Chile. They were stopped by the Mapuches south of Santiago.
 
(2) The Independence wars, were a coalition of Spanish colonies defeated Spain in several places. In Chile the final battle was at Maipu in 1818
 
(3) The War againts the Peru-Bolivian Confederation (1836-1839) won by Chile.
 
(4) The war of the Pacific, against Peru and Bolivia (1879–1884) won by Chile, and that ended in the full invasion of Peru and the anexation of the maritime province of Bolivia.
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Originally posted by Birddog Birddog wrote:

Nemesis is well worth the read. It is very unflatering about the Australians, (it cause quiet a stir in Australia when it was published) but what it say's is true. Australia did end WW2 on a very low note, it's troops mopping up cut off Japanese, moral very low in Army and Airforce, but during 1942-43 Australia played a major part in the war against Japan. I didn't mean to be rude on that last post, but Australia was (an is) still a small nation in terms of population. We spilt alot of blood in the two world wars (not to mention Korea and Vietnam) and I hate to see my country mens efforts overlooked.


European powers that lose wars to non-Europeans have historically earned some scorn, like how Italy became a laughing stock after Ethiopia, but unlike most of the other cases there was no shame in losing to Japan. The Australians (as well as the British and Dutch) lost because Japan was industrialised, professional and motivated, not because they were incompetent. It would be like blaming Poland for losing to Germany in 39, while the Poles in truth performed admirably. When it comes to military competence it's not reasonable to focus on victory or defeat alone, as those are often decided by factors beyond the control of even the best soldiers, such as geography, economics and political circumstance.
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I said the Australians ended the war on a low note. I don't think you'd find an Australia alive who would say we lost to Japan. Australia defended it's home quiet well. In fact the first land defeat inflicted on Japan was by Australian troops at the Battle of Milne Bay, 31 August 1942. Australians retreated before the Japanese in Papua, but they also counter attacked and pushed them right over the Kakoda Track and onto the north coast of Papua, where MacArther's American troops and Australians fought the Buna, Gona and Sanandna Battles ending on 22 January 1943. After that the US troops took over most of the offensive actions and Australians were mostly left to mop up. That's the low point I mentioned and they talk about in Nemisis. I've been writing about this on the Battle of Australia thread.
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Yes, I did not mean to give the impression Australia suffered a total defeat at the hands of the Japanese, but they lost individual encounters and were unable to stop them from expanding in their sphere of interest.
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Originally posted by Craze_b0i Craze_b0i wrote:



Greece: Marathon and Salamis.

Macedonia: Alexander the Great's victories against the Persian Empire.



Yeah...I don't really want to get into that discussion but if you don't put Alexander's campaigns in Greece's triumphs don't mention them at all. I assume this list speaks of modern countries and FYROM has nothing to do with the ancient kingdom.

Anyway, add the Balkan wars and Greco-Italian war to Greek triumphs.
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Can we make suggestion for any country or is the list limited?
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For the Great White North (Canada):
Queenston Heights, 1812: A mix of Canadian/British force repels an American invasion force. Canadian war hero Isaac Brock is killed in this engagement.
Vimy Ridge, 1917: Canadians under Currie take Vimy Ridge in a matter of days after all other Allied attempts fail.
Ortona, 1943: 1st Canadian Infantry Division fights and defeats fanatical elements of the German 1st Parachute Division in vicious street fighting. Battle is termed "Little Stalingrad".
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Originally posted by Pavlvs Angelvs Pavlvs Angelvs wrote:

Can we make suggestion for any country or is the list limited?
 
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Anyway, add the Balkan wars and Greco-Italian war to Greek triumphs.
 
I will add any nomination. But remember the purpose is to nominate just the "greatest". Do you regard these ones as Greece's "greatest military triumph" ie. as big as Marathon and Salamis?


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Quote There are many American triumphs; the Independence War, the Indian Wars and wars against Mexico and Spain, but the greatest has to be WW2, where they fought on two fronts against the two strongest Axis powers and won. Granted, the European front was an allied success that wouldn't have been possible without Soviet invading from the other side, but the US contribution was the most significant among the Western allies and all the while they were fighting their own war in the Pacific. This is where the old order was broken and the US emerged as the foremost power in the world, it's common knowledge.
 
I agree WW2 was a massive triumph for USA, but the war was so huge I would prefer you narrow it down a bit, nominate some particular areas or operations that stand out.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

In Chile:
 
(1) During the 15th century, a century before the Spaniards arrived, the Inca Tupac Yupanqui send an expedition to conquest Chile. They were stopped by the Mapuches south of Santiago.
 
(2) The Independence wars, were a coalition of Spanish colonies defeated Spain in several places. In Chile the final battle was at Maipu in 1818
 
(3) The War againts the Peru-Bolivian Confederation (1836-1839) won by Chile.
 
(4) The war of the Pacific, against Peru and Bolivia (1879–1884) won by Chile, and that ended in the full invasion of Peru and the anexation of the maritime province of Bolivia.
 
Hey Pinguin, nice post. Is there as a particular one of those victories you regard as greatest? Or would you say that it could be any of them?
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Ethiopia: The Battle of Adwa (Adowa, Adua) 1896 when Ethiopian forces won over Italian forces. Adwa was the decisive battle of the first Italo-Ethiopian war (1895 to 1896) and saved Ethiopia from being colonized by Europeans, which became the faith of many other parts of Africa.
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Originally posted by Craze_b0i Craze_b0i wrote:

Korea: Admiral Yi Sun Shins victories Japan (c16th)

 
I thought I would add a few more but i will start out with a cool site on Yi Sun Shin first.  This is a site hosted by provincial State of Kyuong Nam which is where the city of Busan is located. 
 
 
One of the section has the most detailed descriptions of each battles he commanded chronologically.
 
 
 It's just a fun site to navigate through if you are interested Yi Sun Shin and his Turtle ships.
Here is a nice interior illustration of GeoBukSeon
 
Turtle Ship - Deck on third floor
 
 
 
 
 
 
Now moving on to the lesser known Korean battles.  The next has to be mentioned is the Battle of Salsu during the second Goguryeo-Sui War.  I'm sure some of you are aware of.  I googled it and the best article I could find was wiki. 
 
 
Battle of Salsu
Part of the Goguryeo-Sui Wars
Date 612
Location Salsu River, present-day Chongchon River
Result Decisive Goguryeo victory
Belligerents
Sui Chinese Goguryeo
Commanders
Yu Zhongwen
Yuwen Shu
Eulji Mundeok
Strength
305,000[1] 10,000
Casualties and losses
302,300 casualties ~300
 
 
I guess there is a debate over actual number  and I don't know about the Chinese records but the Korean record is probably based on Samguk Sagi and/or Samguk Yusa which I believe the wiki article is based on.   One of the site popped up is actually our own Archive which seem to support the wiki stat even by our Military History expert, Temujin.  (http://www.allempires.net/largest-battles_topic23448.html).  One of the Blog site on North Korea mentions that North Korean claims 1 to 3 million which is doubted by the author and many others and he seems to believe about 100,000 or less. 
 
But most of the sources seem to agree on the number of Sui troops survived which is around 3,000 and the method used by Goguryeo General,  Eulji Mundeok to produce such high casualty which is to drown them by building a dam and releasing it from the up stream of the river. 
 
But another point might be argued here, whether this battle and the war itself has caused Sui dynasty to collapse shortly afterward.  I think the Korean side claims that but I am not sure if the Chinese side does also.  But the successor of Sui, Tang dynasty along with Silla in Korea end up bringing down Goguryeo for good, we can only imagine the implication of this battle in NE Asia for centuries to come afterward. 
 
I gonna list a few more major battles of Korea which might be considered as the top 5 major battles in Korean History with their wiki pages about them.
 
 
 
 
 


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Originally posted by Craze_b0i Craze_b0i wrote:

Originally posted by Pavlvs Angelvs Pavlvs Angelvs wrote:

Can we make suggestion for any country or is the list limited?
 
Any country you like.

In that case, I will add a few nations to the list.

Top Albanian military triumphs:
  • Skanderbeg's campaigns against Osman empire (1443-1468)
  • Albanian wars of independence (19th cent-1912)
  • To consider: Vlora War (1920)
  • To consider: Partisan war (WWII)

The wars against the Ottoman empire during the period of 1380-1479 are a must, but Skanderbeg was the most famous and most successful leader. Albanian wars of independence are a must too. In Vlora War, 5k peasants defeated 20k Italians so this could either mean the peasants were super brave and tough or Italians carried out a very limited war. I lean towards the latter. The Partisan war was largely against the Ballasts but also against the Italians and Germans. Axis was losing everywhere though.

For other Balkan nations:

Romania: Campaigns of Stephen the Great, Micheal the Brave, and Vlad the Impaler, etc.

Ottoman empire: Nicopolis, Varna (kind of; if it wasn't for the janissaries, they would have lost), Fall of Canstaninople, Mohacs, Preveza, conquest of Egypt, etc.

Turkey: Wars of Independence, Greco Turkish war, etc.

Serbia: Bulgarian Serb war (medieval), Dusans conquests, Medieval Ottoman wars, Karageorge's revolt, Balkan wars, Austro Serbian war (WWI), WWII resistance movements etc.

Croatia: Bulgarian-Croatian war, partisan wars, war of independence, etc.

Montenegro: war of independence, balkan wars, WWI etc.

Macedonia (FYROM): Partizan liberation war, etc.

Bosnia: Husein Gradascevic's campaigns, partisan wars, etc.

Bulgaria: Byzantine, Latin, and other wars of Bulgarian empire, 1st balkan war, etc.

Slovenia: war of independence, etc.

Kosovo: Isa Boletini's campaigns, Azem Galica's campaigns, Kosovo War etc. (not really triumphs but they all had some successes)

That's all I know for Balkan countries, so please don't impale me for missing a glorious event! Tongue Just add it yourself.


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Well maybe not the Greco-Italian war but definetely the Balkan wars. Without them modern Greece would be nothing.
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Originally posted by Craze_b0i Craze_b0i wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

In Chile:
 
(1) During the 15th century, a century before the Spaniards arrived, the Inca Tupac Yupanqui send an expedition to conquest Chile. They were stopped by the Mapuches south of Santiago.
 
(2) The Independence wars, were a coalition of Spanish colonies defeated Spain in several places. In Chile the final battle was at Maipu in 1818
 
(3) The War againts the Peru-Bolivian Confederation (1836-1839) won by Chile.
 
(4) The war of the Pacific, against Peru and Bolivia (1879–1884) won by Chile, and that ended in the full invasion of Peru and the anexation of the maritime province of Bolivia.
 
Hey Pinguin, nice post. Is there as a particular one of those victories you regard as greatest? Or would you say that it could be any of them?
 
Well, in all of them Chile was initially at a disadvantage, and won anyways.
 
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Originally posted by King Kang of Mu King Kang of Mu wrote:

 
I thought I would add a few more but i will start out with a cool site on Yi Sun Shin first.  T


On Youtube they have a lot of episodes of the Korean Drama series Immortal Yi Soon Shin, some of them with English subtitles. Here is the first episode from 5 about the battle at Myeonryang 1597, it is regarded as one of Yis great victories against the Japanese:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ExfTHG266M

Little background:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Myeongnyang





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Originally posted by King Kang of Mu King Kang of Mu wrote:

 
I thought I would add a few more but i will start out with a cool site on Yi Sun Shin first.  T


On Youtube they have a lot of episodes of the Korean Drama series Immortal Yi Soon Shin, some of them with English subtitles. Here is the first episode from 5 about the battle at Myeonryang 1597, it is regarded as one of Yis great victories against the Japanese:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ExfTHG266M

Little background:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Myeongnyang



 
 
Thanks, Charchar.  An amazing scene.  With the popularity of Korean Cinema/TV series, I have to watch myself for mixing fiction and facts, entertainment and history, but that series is is such a definitive version of telling the story of Yi Soon Shin in the minds of Koreans and it's almost unavoidable. 
 
The Battle of MyeongRayng is pretty much like the naval version of Thermopylae, as far as being out numbered and using the geological elements to limit the enemy's logistical advantage. But that seems to a reoccurring theme in not just Admiral Yi's battles, but also other major Korean military triumphs.  But then again just any notable military triumphs anywhere in the world in general. 
 
One of the element that is very remorseful for the Koreans is that Admiral Yi's fleet was down to only 12(or 13?) panokseons and supposedly no Turtle ships because of the jealousy and internal partisan politics of Joseon court at the time along with Japanese maneuvering (2.3 The Japanese Double-agent Plot ).  Such partisan politics were very severe in the Joseon Court at times often inviting the foreign invasions like this.  But thats also a reoccurring theme in world history in general.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_factions_in_Joseon_Dynasty 


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I will slowly post some, perhaps, not very famous, but still triumphs in the military history of Russia.
 
Not very famous and quite a small scale, but still outstanding Russian victory during the Siege of Petropavlovsk in 1854 that was a part of the Crimean War.
 
A small Russian garrison of the fort of Petrapavlovsk managed to defeat an Allied force 3 times larger inflicting the casualties on them which were 5 times larger than the Russian ones.
 
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All "victories" are always transitory...so until the next time enjoy it while you can.
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A personal favourite of mine is the battle of Arcadiopolis in 970 between the Byzantines and the Kievan Rus. At this time the realm of the Rus was at its largest and the army, numbering about 50k, was made up of everyone in it; Slavs, Varangians, Pechenegs, Magyars and Bulgarians. The battle however ended in a resounding vicory for the Byzantines, numbering only 12k and led by Bardas Sclerus, who reportedly cut a Varangian axe-wielding giant clean in two. As you can probably tell this account reeks of biased exaggeration and as far as I know we only know it through Byzantine sources. I believe it's safe to assume however, that it was a large battle wherein a smaller but more professional Byzantine army defeated a larger but less co-ordinated horde under the leadership of the Rus.
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Battles of Napoleon written by OP (original poster) not strictly true, I would put Austerlitz, and the Northern Italian campaigns there, but Napolenon's battels also included the atrocious, Russian and Egyptian campaigns with all their vainglorious miltary failings.

Also, for Britain, Agincourt, surely? Despite the prisoner atrocities a superb display of military skill, if aided by technology, incompetence and terrian.

Also why are there no Swiss victories here, seriously the old swiss phalanx used to be near invincible. Sempach, or Morgarten?
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I just finished reading Bernard Cornwell's novel Azincourt. In his commentary he makes the point that Agincourt was one of those battles that has a great reputation, and was indeed a famous victory, but had hardly any strategic or tactical effect at all.
 
That is, of course, if it had never taken place the course of the campaign would have been much the same. If the French had won, it might have made a difference.
 
 
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