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han races are admixing with white in prehistory?

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    Posted: 16 Feb 2016 at 16:04
Today I just argue with a person his google account name called https://plus.google.com/113458322307469180054, and he said all ancient chinese race are admixing with arya is that true i cant find it in wikipedia then i claim that nanzhuangtong culture are pure chinese not mixed with arya,he said i am a dumb in ancient history?so i keep saying that ancient chinese 
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(8500-7700)are older than vanci culture(5700–4500), and he keep claiming is 9000bc .I totally have no idea about him/her .Beside that , I say a lot of western countries learn from ancient china like compass ,gunpowder .PLs help me out the truth of it ,cause I need to know the answer ^^.
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Well I suppose all races on earth have and are mixing to some degree, but there is no doubt in my mind that there are some races which have, to a greater or lesser degree, retained their racial purity, and that would include the Han Chinese.
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But are not admiring with arya ,are admiring with some East Asians right?
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Some thousands of years ago part of population of northwestern Xingiang province appeared more like "Europeans" than chinese. Some mixing seems possible though I have no evidence for it.
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Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

Some thousands of years ago part of population of northwestern Xingiang province appeared more like "Europeans" than chinese. Some mixing seems possible though I have no evidence for it.

Would that have been the caucasian people said to live near the big bend in the Yellow River in Northern China?

I read some years ago of their graves found in the Tarim Basin, but I've not heard if their identity has been discovered-perhaps Sogdian?
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ya I can sure that the west of China more like arya mixing this I pretty sure but the middle means the earliest China in the yellow river culture are admiring or pure I just want to know the answer
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It depends on what you consider Han/Chinese, and what you consider "white". Since migrating out of Africa, and mixing a little bit with neanderthals along the way, the people who would be considered caucasian and those considered to have Han features settled at opposite ends of Eurasia. Between the two lived steppe nomads who were often more or less a mixture of east/north Asian and Aryan ancestry. These nomads frequently attacked Europe and China. As a result, both Europe and China had some instances of intermarriage with these mixed heritage nomads and on some occasions bands of nomads were welcomed to settle within the borders of Chinese and European nations.

So yes, some "white" people mixed with the Han, just as some people with east Asian features mixed with Europeans in Europe. I suspect that this mixing was fairly limited - the settled societies of China and Europe were much more densely populated than the nomads - and these nomads were only occasionally successful in migrating into civilised Europe and China in large numbers.
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I thought I posted a reply here.

Oh well here goes again.

DNA shows the people now in China had to gather in safe havens after a cataclysm - there were two great cataclysms to force them into Tibet and it's valleys. Some may have headed north into a closer but colder mountain range - Altai.  One in 8350 BCE and the other probably at the same time the North Sea was created with about 400 feet more water for the oceans after the Glacial water broke through.

In the excellent book Mummies of Urumchi you see where Lao Tzu went to meet the Ancient Masters at the end of his life - but Lao Tzu's existence is hard to nail down. The people there were red heads as you can see with the tall mummies and later in frescoes, but the nearby Ainu (De Ainu or DNN) are most important and Idries Shah traces the esoteric knowledge of his Sarman Brotherhood there around 40,000 years ago.

Gunpowder, a printing process, paddle wheel boats, and much more came later. The Celestial Kingdom was the apex of civilization and economic power for three millennia at least - it had to be ended - thus the Opium Wars.

Recent human artifacts in South China date to 2.4 million years ago. Alan Thorne showed Nanking Man was 750,000 years old. He posited up to ten different hominid species and is being proven correct.

Clyde Winters has a wealth of information available through his site. His insight and academic knowledge is most enlightening but unfortunately it may take centuries to be accepted. I especially hope you can read his thoughts on the discourse and cultural interplay with Urumchi (Tocharian is also like Luwian of Crete and maybe off Cuba) and the Tamil regions.

http://olmec98.academia.edu/CWinters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zrEpNIAXGM

If your mind is not opened after seeing what he has to say - then your mind is not ever going to become open.

All of Polynesia and most of the western Americas have Ainu blood (recent DNA maps) and they are not Europod or Chinese. They also populated many other areas including what Joan Price of the AIA showed is the Fox and Sauk Indians near Lakes Michigan and Superior. They traveled the important routes to this important resource for longer than they have been in China. Her Professor Emeritus named Scherz documents the early routes when the rivers ran north to the Arctic and Hudson's Bay etc.


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