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hi calvo
the haplogroup R1a is dominant(50%)+ in some slavic peoples sorbs, polish,ukrainians and somewhat lower in others and there is strong linguistically connection too.


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Originally posted by calvo calvo wrote:

Just a question out of curiosity: has genetic studies revealed any relation between the ancient Iranic people and the modern Slavic people of Eastern Europe?
I mean, that modern Slavic people could be the genetic descendants of Scythians and Samartians, but the linguistic descendants of proto-Slavs.
It's curious, because nowadays the popular perception of Slavs and Iranians is very different.
Yes, R1a is prevalent among Slavs (50-60%), but it's also the major halpogroup for Tajiks and Kyrgyzs (!) and also Turkic Altaians (!) (in fact, that can be explained because we know about the Scythian presence in Southern Siberia the original homeland of Kyrgyz people and the land of Altains). In fact, we also have an ancient layer of Iranic linguistic traces in Slavic languages as well.
 
And also, linguistically speaking, Slavic languages by far more close to Iranic languages than the rest of European part of IE linguistic family.
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actually i have been accused for saying things which has been my own idea and without any evidence!! and was rejected fiercely by some of our friends here . upon observation of many people who has been in northern or western iran and scandinavian countries. it is easy to find many simmilarity between peoples and artifacts.
The late well known  anthropolog Thor Heyerdal made many statement about common origin of scandinavian(VIKING) and people from azarbaijan and study of runstones in GUBSTAN and weapons (battle axes) found in both places.
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Yes, Thor Heyerdal is an amazing andventurer and explorer, but, unfortunately, poor historian.
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he was more an anthropolog-ethnolog rather than historian, but he was able to back his claim with DNA test from norway and azarbaijan.according to him there was many cases of DNA provs that had proved he was right!!but when and how these two people were conected is still not clear.
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i received a lot of DYS numbers  from ancestry .com, but nothing about my haplogroupDisapprove how to find out my haplo group with help of these numbers? any conversion table on internet?
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Originally posted by kalhor kalhor wrote:

i received a lot of DYS numbers  from ancestry .com, but nothing about my haplogroupDisapprove how to find out my haplo group with help of these numbers? any conversion table on internet?
 
Let us start by setting forth that DNA does not identify the "race" of any individual and when the subject turns to the question of ethnicty, you are not going to travel far in one's tight "genes". Here is an explanation addressed to the layman by geneticists:
 
 
However, this tidying up is a bit unnerving to others, and the dangers to accepting the above is given perspective by pathologists such as Karen Titus:
 
 
 
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i don't care about race. we are all mixed of many different races. i want to know my origin better and pattern of  people migration in iran too.
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Calhor, what do you mean by "your origin"? You are what you make of yourself, everything else is irrelevant.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kalhor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 09:40
I know that. still it is interesting to know where i am comming from. anyway i got a haplo prediction and it is probably haplogroup T Big smile and i find it is very rare in iranCry but plenty in southern italy(sicily)Disapprove now i understand why i like mafia movies so muchWink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Harburs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 13:13
Originally posted by kalhor kalhor wrote:

I know that. still it is interesting to know where i am comming from. anyway i got a haplo prediction and it is probably haplogroup T Big smile and i find it is very rare in iranCry but plenty in southern italy(sicily)Disapprove now i understand why i like mafia movies so muchWink
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i found that it is not so rare in iran!!it seems about 17% !!!of population in provence of kermanshah and up to 7 % in isfahan and shiraz have the same haplo group. some beleive it is orginating in iran !!
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I dont know whether this will be of help or not,but this link will give details of genetical studies carried out in  Asia

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I was recently DNA tested at Family Tree DNA and 23andme. My paternal side is R1b1b2a1a4 and on my maternal side is H3. Based on this my ancestors are supposedly from Spain, Great Britain, etc. The trouble with this is no one from my family ever originated from these areas. My paternal grandfather and grandmother had ancestory originating most recently from what is now Slovakia. There surnames were Muska and Frabrovich. My maternal grandfather was of Hungarian/Polish ancestory and my maternal grandmother was Austrian/Hungarian. Their surnames are Kazimer and Beganyi. I look nothing like the people of a celt background. I have a skin that darkens when out in the sun plus I have dark brown hair and eyes. I just do not think my ancient families ever went into western/northern Europe. It is not that I doubt I am related to the people of western/northern Europe but what I am saying is when they went further west than my family did. My father said that we had an ancestor going back 5-6 generations ago a was of cossack leader. One of my college ancient history professors stated my name "Muska" could be a variation of the Mushki tribe from Anatolia 3000 plus years ago. An Armenia family who owns a restaurant said my ancient family could be Armenian. Anything you could tell me about my ancient family history would be greatly appreciated.

 
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