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    Posted: 23 May 2013 at 03:52
Muhammed 
Jesus 
Johannes Gutenberg
Christopher Columbus  
Buddha
Apostle Paul 
James Watt/Matthew Boulton
Cai Lun
Thomas Edison
Louis Pasteur

Isaac Newton
Fritz Haber 
Li Si/Shihuangdi 
Constantine   
Edward Jenner
James Clerk Maxwell
Albert Einstein 
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Alexander Fleming
Confucius

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Charles Darwin
Alexander
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Galileo Galilei 
Charles Goodyear
Temujin
Martin Luther
John Smeaton

George Washington
John Harrington
Napoleon Bonaparte
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Nikolaus Otto 
Norman Borlaug   
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Carl Rogers Darnall
Wright brothers

Francisco Pizarro
Alexander Graham Bell
Eli Whitney
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Adolf Hitler
Robert/George Stephenson
Tim Berners-Lee
Badarayana (Brahma Sutras only)
Pierre de Coubertin
Otto Hahn/Fritz Strassmann 

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Luca Pacioli
Ebenezer Cobb Morley
Alessandro di Spina
Ozdemir Pasha
William Shockley/Brittain/Bardeen
Alfonso X of Castile 
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What criteria was used in that list? Why to include some that nobody knows, except lovers of exotic religions, and exclude others that deserve to be there? In history of computers, for instance, why to put a mediocre inventor like Tim-Barnes Lee and forget Alan Turing, Charles Babbage, Ada Lovelace, George Boole, Grace Murray Hopper and Claude Shannon? Where is Tsiolkowsky, Von Braun or Julius Verne? Why to include Newton and forget Leibniz? Why to forget Shakespeare and Cervantes but include some mediocre writers on the list?

Yes, Paccioli was a smart guy, but how to forget Archimedes?

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pinguin is justified. I never heard of 22 of the people on the list, and some of the ones I do know shouldn't be anywhere near it. Which John Snow? The fast bowler, the newscaster, the doctor, the Eliabethan politician or one of the US ones? It's easy to think of many more influential people in all those categories.
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Plus, there's a lot of religious figures that aren't even listed and they are often the most influential in the world, not only politicians, or warriors, but philosophers, priests, and inventors. I don't even see how Qin Shi Huang is even on the list, all he did was repeat Zhou Kingdom ways and persecute thousands of people for listening to Confucianism, and Kong Fu Zi (Kong Zi, Confucius, Zhongni, Kong Qiu, how ever you want to call it), Lao Zi, and Zhuang Zi aren't even on the list. Not even Zhuge Liang made the list and he created the first semi-automatic weapon. I'm not even sure why half the people on this list are even in the top 100

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Indeed. The list just an arbitrary picking of figures. Besides, it is very arguably that Muhammad is more influential than Jesus in human history.
Other point I notice is that no single Native American figure is on the list. ¿Where is Pachacutec (the builder of Machu Picchu)? ¿Where is Nezahualcoyolt (the builder of the engineering works of the Aztec empire)? Or Haiwatta, or Crazy Horse, or Lautaro... or so many others?
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Good point.
And if the author is going to put religious figures as the first 2 then have a guy with a printing press as third, then that definitely needs to change. Granted, I FINALLY found Confucius on the list, he should still be higher, because he changed history as a man who reformed Chinese society, and its effect is still quite evident today. There may be a modern mask over it, but you still see Confucian ideals throughout China, and even around the world.


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Well, Confucius (kong tze) is on there. John Snow refers to the English doctor during the cholera outbreaks.
Tim Berners-Lee invented the world wide web. Pacioli spread the concept of double-entry bookkeeping, the primary principle of accounting. I couldn't find any Native Americans, women, literary writers, Africans, Australians, etc. that could beat out any of those on that list. 
I didn't put any literary writers. My criteria was to find the most influential person I could find in a category and put him or her on there and the ranking reflects how influential I think the category is compared with others.
And if you don't know some of the folks on there then look them up. 
 
 
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You still don't have Lao Zi (Lao Jun), or Zhuang Zi, or Zoro-Aster, most of the people on the list aren't even recognizable. Cai Lun wasn't even truly important other than the invention of paper that doesn't bring euphoria when it burns. And if you're going to put Qin Shi Huang on there, you may as well add Qianlong Tongbao, he expanded China to its fullest extent, and influenced even modern maps, most f the borders he set are still there. If you need a woman who should be on there, I suggest either Elizabeth I of England or Catherine the Great of Russia. Elizabeth showed Europe that England can be just as tough as the rest of them, funded the original plan for the Colony of Virginia (although it failed miserably with Roanoke, the area was re-settled in Jamestown only 4 years after her death, and the colony was still named for her, Virginia). While Catherine the Great reformed out-dated Russian policies of a crippling feudalistic monarchy, expanded Russia to Crimea with her lover (Potemkin), and was likely one of the best rulers in history, especially under the circumstances of the French Revolution, the Prussian attacks in the south. A good Native American to add to the list is Sequoya, the creator of the Cherokee Written Language (suggesting this in light of you putting Cai Lun in the top 10). Victor Chang was an Australian doctor who pioneered an artificial heart valve and h was an ophthalmologist. Sir Edmond Hillary can be possible for the list too, he was the first to climb Everest and survive to tell about it.
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Some additions:
 
Capt James Cook, who filled in a half globe's worth of information, with only a wooden sailing ship, and primitive instruments.
 
William Shakepeare, who popularized the idea of contemplation of the human condition, outside of immediate reality, and religious dogma.
 
Timothy Leary, who later urged a revolution in human thinking and values.
 
Bruce Campbell and Robert Walker, the Canadian scientists that discovered the method of detecting other planets outside our own solar system, opening the way to thinking about our universe in much broader terms.
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Originally posted by mcpon14 mcpon14 wrote:

Tim Berners-Lee invented the world wide web. ...

 


In history of computers, Tim Berners-lee is just a minor innovator and integrator of well known technologies: hypertext already existed, all the technology of Internet, including data communications, packets and routers, was already 20 years old, protocols, ftp and even e-mail existed. So, I don't agree that you mention him and forgot the most important genius in the field. It may be because he worked in Cern.

With respect to native americans, just look the one I mentioned above in google. Perhaps you learn something. For instance, before downplaying them you should get informed first.

 


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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

 
Bruce Campbell and Robert Walker, the Canadian scientists that discovered the method of detecting other planets outside our own solar system, opening the way to thinking about our universe in much broader terms.


Among Canadians, I believe one of the top contributors to human development is Reginald Fessenden, the inventor of radiotelephony. He was the first guy that transmited audio by radiowaves in 1906 using an alternator (those days oscillators were mechanical).


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Originally posted by Lao Tse Lao Tse wrote:

A good Native American to add to the list is Sequoya, the creator of the Cherokee Written Language (suggesting this in light of you putting Cai Lun in the top 10).


Indeed. Now, Americans always remember Squanto, who thought the pioneers to plant maize, fertilizing the plant with fish. With that technique, there weren't more pioneers suffering hunger in the new world, like it happened in early colonies.
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Well, pinguin, from what I read Tim Berners-Lee seems the most influential since he made it that regular folks are able to use the internet whereas it was primarily used only by the government & the scientific community to share information even if he primarily used other people's technology but whose the genius you're referring to? And besides the list is a work-in-progress. I've already added a few names and taken out a few too. It's been a hobby for several years now. But good suggestions everybody. Thanks.
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Well, Cai Lun is major seeing how his improvement on the papermaking process was so huge that he's traditionally regarded as the inventor. It enabled the printing revolution of Gutenberg. It was major in the spread of knowledge due to the availability of cheaper books & documents which enabled more of those things to be produced. It helped enable mass education because of the availability of textbooks and material for students to write on. It made paper money possible. And there are tons of other paper products. With increased access to education, discoveries increased at a rapid pace, of which the availability of paper had a lot to do with. I understand that Pachacuti turned the Incan empire from a small chiefdom into encompassing most of western S. America but Pizarro defeated it before it could truly exert a large influence on world affairs. Same thing with Nezahualcoyolt with the Spanish, maybe Cortez. Cervantes, Cook & Joseph Banks almost made it. 
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Oh, I'm not sure why you don't agree with Gutenberg following Jesus & Muhammed?
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Originally posted by mcpon14 mcpon14 wrote:

Oh, I'm not sure why you don't agree with Gutenberg following Jesus & Muhammed?
All he did was refine a printing press. Block printing took a little longer, and the printing press is important, but when you think about it that is no where near the influence of World Leaders. Same with Cai Lun, all he did was reform paper, which although made it a little easier to write, entire alphabets had to be re-written in order to make scripture in such languages easier to read and write on paper. An example is the sudden transition from Da Zhuan Shu and Xiao Zhuan Shu to Li Shu, Kai Shu, Xing Shu, and Cao Shu in the Early-Mind Western Han Empire.

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What, no Darwin and Wallace?

If you're going to have Jesus and Mohammad, you might as well have Hercules and Perseus. How about people for whom we have an actual record of existence?

Edited by Zagros - 30 May 2013 at 22:28
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

What, no Darwin and Wallace?

If you're going to have Jesus and Mohammad, you might as well have Hercules and Perseus. How about people for whom we have an actual record of existence?

BUT, is there evidence of Mohammed and Jesus NOT existing?
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Is there any proof the war god Mars does NOT exist? You can't prove a negative. Burden of proof is on the claimant and a fairy tale or series of fairy tales does not cut it. Sorry.
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Then there's the fact that not everything can be proven in a lab with a bunch of test tubes and expiriments. I'm not saying that every fairy tale is true, but what I AM saying is that ALMOST everyone in the world believes in different aspects of religion, but they are all connected (Examples: Yu of Xia controls a flood, and Noah with his Arc during a terrible flood, all religions have some form of head-god [i.e Lao Jun, Mohammed, Jesus, Eligah, etc.], and most tales are almost identical, BUT the names are usually different). For example: there is actually evidence that suggests Merlin to be really a chemist, that happened to be smarter than those who believed him to complete magical tasks based off of simple chemistry and physics. Not everything is explained yet, and there are always mysteries in life from the past that will likely never be explained, but perhaps that is a reason for living life, to find answers, or perhaps to even think of walking along side those who are depicted as miracle workers.
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Well let's just stick to what we know for a fact to be true then. ;)
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Agreed Tongue

But still, we can't deny what we don't know as a fact just because we aren't sure. Then again, walking on water without getting even a little wet is pretty far-fetched, perhaps even if the people existed, their stories have been A LITTLE altered over time LOL


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If we are talking history, we are talking known facts and/or their interpretation not beliefs, faiths, myths and fairy tales, which may or may not be based on fact.

For example, an inclusion of the emperor who made Christianity Rome's state religion in place of Christ is a bit more realistic.
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Hmm, maybe we will never know the answer to whether religious figures ever lived, but one can still find the answer in the sands of time, so until then, Zagros, we are both correct Smile
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Originally posted by Lao Tse Lao Tse wrote:

Hmm, maybe we will never know the answer to whether religious figures ever lived, but one can still find the answer in the sands of time, so until then, Zagros, we are both correct Smile
 
Not exactly LT. Unless you want to include Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny in your preferred list, which would skew things more towards psychology rather than history, I think we can conclude that there is a tentitive reality, and then there is less so, and sometimes considerably less so.
 
The doings of Jesus or Mohammed may be seen as peripheraly important, as adherents have changed their behavior based on certain stories, but not important as actual figures, as they may not have existed, or if they did, not been at all like the later myths created.
 
If this is a list of actual humans that shaped history, then there are many candidates. Mythology is another category however.
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Ok then, I can agree with on that one
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Originally posted by mcpon14 mcpon14 wrote:

Well, pinguin, from what I read Tim Berners-Lee seems the most influential since he made it that regular folks are able to use the internet whereas it was primarily used only by the government & the scientific community to share information even if he primarily used other people's technology but whose the genius you're referring to? And besides the list is a work-in-progress. I've already added a few names and taken out a few too. It's been a hobby for several years now. But good suggestions everybody. Thanks.


No. Tim Berners-Lee is not the most influential. He is just the most popular for new generations that got no idea about history of computers and communications. It is just like comparing a pop star with Bach or Mozart... There is no way they can compare.
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