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    Posted: 24 Nov 2012 at 16:27
Hello everyone, my name is Po-Bhaddravesa I am (half) Cham (and my mom is mixed tartar/filipino) , a people who belonged to the Kingdom of Champa, i am fluent in Eastern Cham a dying language and Cham hroi and also western Cham, i also read cham Sanskrit (we currently speak 7 languages at home) . I love studying about different parts of world history but especially SEA history and more specifically Cham history since it is somewhat mysterious. I also enjoy reading about central Asian and middle Eastern history since it's also not mentioned as much especially central Asian.
Currently im a High School student and am apart of my Schools ASB and also president of the Cham student Association, in the future i hope to go to college and one day be able to lecture Cham history and culture and very importantly language so that our language and form of writing does not die out.
I spend my other time playing the kanhi a type of cham erhu instrument made from tortoise shell and the Kulintangan a set gong instrument.


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Welcome to the forum, from Hebei Province, Changchun, Changan, Peking, and Mongolia! I also speak a dying language, Manchu/Xinde. You've come to the forum at a good time, we're getting a lot of new members and interesting topics!
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Welcome to the forum Smile 
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ei! when u count its 
emu, zuwe, ilan, duin, sunza, ninggun, nadan, zakun, uyun, zuwan. Right? my Great-great-Grandfather was an old Cham official from Panduranga and he was an emissary to the qing court then moved to live in manchuria with my great-grandpa who is still alive and fluent in Manchu
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Me too speaking a dying language LOL With 150 000 speakers (Laz language -  belongs to South Caucasian Lan. Group), young people always tend to speak Turkish instead of it Smile How many speakers left of yours? Smile
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Originally posted by Paradigm of Humanity Paradigm of Humanity wrote:

Me too speaking a dying language LOL With 150 000 speakers (Laz language -  belongs to South Caucasian Lan. Group), young people always tend to speak Turkish instead of it Smile How many speakers left of yours? Smile
 
 
For me its a little divided. The Manchu Language itself has a mere 49 people, including me, left out of it being originally 100000000 people in China in the early 1900s. For the Xinde manchu dialec, which has only 100,000 people that speak it as native speakers as of 2010
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Originally posted by Po-Binnasaur Po-Binnasaur wrote:

ei! when u count its 
emu, zuwe, ilan, duin, sunza, ninggun, nadan, zakun, uyun, zuwan. Right? my Great-great-Grandfather was an old Cham official from Panduranga and he was an emissary to the qing court then moved to live in manchuria with my great-grandpa who is still alive and fluent in Manchu
 
Wow, most my court connections were either scribes, or eunuchs. And yes, that is correct for numbers. The only few exceptions were gurun de aisilara janggin, and a few kubuhe lamun gusa members.
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Originally posted by Paradigm of Humanity Paradigm of Humanity wrote:

Me too speaking a dying language LOL With 150 000 speakers (Laz language -  belongs to South Caucasian Lan. Group), young people always tend to speak Turkish instead of it Smile How many speakers left of yours? Smile


For Cham its a little difficult because we have around a population of probably 400,00 max however many of us speak different dialects so Eastern Cham has around 30,000, western cham has around 200,000, Cham hroi has about 3,000 and there are other dialects, now Cham sanskrit has only 10 foreigners who can read it in the world and around 400 native readers.

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Originally posted by Lao Tse Lao Tse wrote:

For me its a little divided. The Manchu Language itself has a mere 49 people, including me, left out of it being originally 100000000 people in China in the early 1900s. For the Xinde manchu dialec, which has only 100,000 people that speak it as native speakers as of 2010

A week ago I was looking language map of China with one of my friends. Then he said, where is Manchu? "Results of state policy I guess..." I said. That is a mass cultural destruction - all revolutionaries love cultural destruction and always happened this way. We are currently speaking a largely state constructed language in Turkey. It's far simpler and inadequate from Ottoman Turkish...
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