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    Posted: 28 May 2011 at 12:22

 

The summer season (here in northern part of northern hemisphere) are often a season of outdoor arrangements, festivals and similar events, so here we may discuss some experiences, nopt least if there is some original ways to do it. Here will soon be both a festival for Middle Ages and especially Viking age - both are annual events, and at least the "Viking" one is visited by thousands and with some hundreds participants in the projects. For some time then one may be  a visitor or even "tourist" in another age. Having visited some times one may wonder how to do  it right, and if something could be added, to make such events as fascinating and even possibly informative as possible.
To make the "Middle Ages" or "Viking" or any other age the focus perhaps may be to risk to be a bit "anonymous". Could some specific events and person as "focus" be preferable?
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In August/September Luxembourg city will celebrate the 'Schueberfouer', nowadays a funfair but originally a trade fair licensed by John the Blind (Jang den Blannen, Count of Luxembourg, King of Bohemia, etc.) to be held by the city in 1340, and held every year since. John was killed at Crecy, as every English schoolboy used to know, and his emblem taken over by the Prince of Wales.
 
Nowadays it's a great time to be out of Luxembourg because of the crowds it pulls in from all over la Grande Region.
 
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In here, we celebrate our Independence Day in September 18. At those days there are all kind of folk celebrations, and lot of peoples dress like country cowboys and countrygirls. Is the Rodeo days and country music.
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Does one really need a "historical excuse" to party? Yes, one can review the historical underpinnings of "harvest festivals" or the secularization of traditional religious gatherings that mark the persistence of ancient rituals in new guise, but--and let's be blunt here--within contemporary terms commercialization and money-making now stands as the central drive of all these out-of-doors pursuits.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Does one really need a "historical excuse" to party? Yes, one can review the historical underpinnings of "harvest festivals" or the secularization of traditional religious gatherings that mark the persistence of ancient rituals in new guise, but--and let's be blunt here--within contemporary terms commercialization and money-making now stands as the central drive of all these out-of-doors pursuits.


Yes, we know your oppinion is: "always against it"
Now, what's your point? Wink


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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Does one really need a "historical excuse" to party? Yes, one can review the historical underpinnings of "harvest festivals" or the secularization of traditional religious gatherings that mark the persistence of ancient rituals in new guise, but--and let's be blunt here--within contemporary terms commercialization and money-making now stands as the central drive of all these out-of-doors pursuits.
It would be more admirable (courage) if You gave us a clue to how You think it should be done - or, alternatively that it should not be done. So, how should "history for the people" be - if You are not against it?
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History "for the people" is New Age malarkey. Pre-Lenten carnivals have a history in and of their own but one almost totally absent in the minds of most contemporary participants, who are about as ignorant of their own great-grandfathers as they are about the Vestalia. Let us take a contemporary fad, "Renaissance Festivals"--which is akin to celebrating Vikings or King Arthur--and asess their "historical" validity. There isn't one because the vast majority of contemporaries have not the slightest clues on the actual exigencies and limits of the historical past they are supposedly celebrating.

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Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

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It would be more admirable (courage) if You gave us a clue to how You think it should be done - or, alternatively that it should not be done. So, how should "history for the people" be - if You are not against it?


Cosign. He is always "against it".

By the way, why we don't continue with the topic of festivals that I found very interesting, and just ignore doc's comments?
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French revolutionaries sought to enshrine "festivals" as a counter to the long-held and historically rooted public gatherings tied to liturgical celebrations. Heck, they even finagled with the calendar, all to no avail. Now would "historical recreations" truly constitute a public festival or is the driving force behind such ventures little more than crass commercialism--ersatz Disneylands for the price of admission, naturally. As Gcle pointed out, the Schueberfouer has a historical root that has survived through the centuries much as the Feria de Sevilla, rooted in the old galleon trade of the 16th century, still survives. Now what is funny here is the Penguin's purported interest in the topic given his notorious opinion about Germans "playing at Cowboys and Indians"! There is one particular festival, the Karl May, held at Bad Segenberg on the Kalkberg every year, to celebrate the "Wild West". Is that history or even historical? There are plenty of traditional celebrations with a firm history of their own, which its participants respect, on the summer calendar for there being a need to create artificial ones for the sake of the tourist trade.
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Wild West? Come on doc, you know our people was country people up to the 60s! Most of the people lived in the countryside, carrying centenary traditions, which are the ones we keep. The average Chilean don't play Indian, but our Indigenous people keep theirs authentic celebrations alive and well.

Now, with respect to the celebrations in Sweden and Scandinavia about the Vikings, why that should be ridiculous or false? The people that make the Viking or Celt celebrations in Europe are simply looking for theirs roots, which is an honest activity. Look at the ancient traditions kept by the Spaniards, the Brits or the Russians. Are those penitents of the Christian parades in Seville and Andalucia false? Are they "playing Christians"? The Irish, for instance, is a people with deep Celt roots, and obviously they should remember theirs past. The same for the Galicians, who are also celts and play the pipes.

Of course, some Germans love to play Indians, and that's fascinating and strange at the same time, but I don't believe that's the reason why some Europeans celebrate theirs ancestors. Finally, yes, in the same way some Germans like to "play indian" in here we have a chance to "play German". For instance we have a Bierfest in Valdivia, prepared by the German descendants that came here, but believe me, nobody here believes he is a German. It is just fun to drink beer, eat sausages, and dance polka once a year. Besides, you know German girls are the ideal of beauty in the region... So, seen some of them dancing is a dream come true.






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A distinction needs to be drawn between traditions that have been followed for a long time - centuries anyway - and modern attempts to 'celebrate' the past. Another local example of the first kind hereabouts is the 'Buergbrennen' when bonfires are lit on hills to recognise (and originally encourage) the coming of spring.
 
Where the traditional basis was commercial, like the Schueberfouer, it seems reasonable that the modern version also is.
 
Thinking of the Buergbrennen fires reminds me of course of Guy Fawkes and England's Bonfire Night celebrations, though the origins are completely different.
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