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    Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 12:12
Is a human always more worth (not in a monetary sense but when it comes to inherent value or dignity) than any kind of animal in any given situation? Is a hardened criminal always more worth than the most trusty or beloved dog?
Or is a human life always more worth than a whole species of some other organism?
 
And how is it with the much discussed human fetus compared with other organisms?
 
Some opinions?


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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Is a human always more worth (not in a monetary sense but when it comes to inherent value or dignity) than any kind of animal in any given situation? Is a hardened criminal always more worth than the most trusty or beloved dog?
Or is a human life always more worth than a whole species of some other organism?
 
Some opinions?
 
Yes.
 
Rationally speaking, "worth" doesn't exist outside of our mental constructions. Nothing has "value" beyond what it pleases us to attribute. It follows that in and of themselves, humans and animals are either worth exactly the same or nothing at all. Go any further than this and you're in the realm of religious dogma, which of course is the case for most people.
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Yes, some of the human value talk, especially in conjunction with the abortion debate has indeed religious overtones.
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Is a human always more worth (not in a monetary sense but when it comes to inherent value or dignity) than any kind of animal in any given situation? Is a hardened criminal always more worth than the most trusty or beloved dog?
Or is a human life always more worth than a whole species of some other organism?
 
And how is it with the much discussed human fetus compared with other organisms?
 
Some opinions?


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Yes, I do.
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Whats next, are some humans worth more than others?
 
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Well yes. You have to ask 'worth to whom?' though.
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A single human life is certainly worth more than a host of Picornaviridae enterovirus, and the extermination of the latter would only bring howls of protest from the truly stupid engaged in idiotic exercises in the abstract. To pose such nonsense would be taking the dark cynycism of an aged Samuel L. Clemens to an absurd extreme. Go read Letters from the Earth as pastime, carch, for most here are not interested in such superficial exercises as pretended here.
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One can still wonder why some antiabortionists consider an embryo, a lump of cells without any consiousness, more worth than for example a living rainforest, a system containing a lot of animals, plants and other organisms, an accumulation rich in species and individual organisms. We can abort rather many fetuses without it will bring us down, but without some ecosystems and their diversity of species it will be much harder to for us to live.
 
And how about the dog? Is a hardened criminal who does other people a lot of harm really more worth than a loyal and trusty dog?
 


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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Well yes. You have to ask 'worth to whom?' though.


I think this is correct. Value is an entirely subjective matter, rather like ethics. I value my dogs rather more than I value any human being bar my familly. I would kill a human being to protect my dog from attack.

I am a Vegan. I object to all cruel treatment of animals.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Is a human always more worth (not in a monetary sense but when it comes to inherent value or dignity) than any kind of animal in any given situation? Is a hardened criminal always more worth than the most trusty or beloved dog?
Or is a human life always more worth than a whole species of some other organism?
 
And how is it with the much discussed human fetus compared with other organisms?
 
Some opinions?


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How can there be a "the answer'' to a subjective opinion?
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