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Hurricane Katrina: Five years later

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    Posted: 29 Aug 2010 at 00:55
Some interesting links

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/natural-disasters/4219861?click=pm_latest

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/05/katrina_what_the_media_missed.html

And a link that might make a few folks here a little mad (Certainly not a triumphant note on my part)
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/08/polling-on-spill.html

What are we still learning? Speaking for myself...

- Just another screw up by our sensationalist media. No surprise there for me
- As bad as it was, it could have been a whole lot worse with the loss of 10,000 lives as was expected.
- Law enforcement didn't flee the area as reported by the Media
- Louisiana National Guard troops were always on hand in and around the city as well as in the Superdome
- Of which... several hundred Louisiana National Guardsmen were in the Superdome providing policing as well as performing other duties, and along with food and water always available; Although being rationed because of the continuous influx of the regionally rescued populace.
- Speaking of which, 30,000-50,000 people being rescued from the surrounding area by the military and transported to topographical high points or to the superdome
- In regards to the coordination of rescuers, everything went well, as far as the military was concerned. The same could not be said for government agencies (Local, State and Federal), unfortunately that is what our crappy media decided to primarily focus on rather than the events on the ground as they happened.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Parnell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Aug 2010 at 09:35
I always assumed that the greater scandal was when the media produced video imagery of rich uptown homes being guarded by dozens of police, whilst poor blacks were floating, dead, on pieces of wood in the desperately poor inner city. Thats certainly the one image that has stuck in my mind. Whether its unrepresentative or not is a different matter.
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

And a link that might make a few folks here a little mad (Certainly not a triumphant note on my part)
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/08/polling-on-spill.html
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...Of course it should be noted that many of the people most negatively impacted by the federal government's handling of Katrina aren't in Louisiana to answer polls about it now....

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The medium is the massage and as it visits NOLA five years on we are receiving an extra dose. Only someone actually unfamiliar with the city would assume the image recalled by Parnell holds any truth--and in a way is on a par with former Mayor Nagle's now infamous analogy: New Orleans is a chocolate city! Sory, Parnell, but just the employment of the term "Inner City" with regard to NOLA is pure hogwash. Similarly, Katrina itself (its winds) did not damage the city but the tidal aftermath did as a function of abominabe planning and non-existant maintenance. There was a failure in government but that one was of long-standing and had little to do with any subsequent "rescue" effort. Panther is essentially correct in his highlights that accent the differences between reality and the media massage (er, message) and if one really wishes to understand what took place in the last week of August 2005, then one has to look at the political decisions (both local, regional, and federal) taken in Southern Lousiana in the last half of the 20th century to comprehend the root economic causes of the disaster.
 
By the way, if you want to understand the nature of the problem juxtapose NOLA with Detroit--no Katrina there--and soon you will have a moment of enlightenment.
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

And a link that might make a few folks here a little mad (Certainly not a triumphant note on my part)
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/08/polling-on-spill.html
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...Of course it should be noted that many of the people most negatively impacted by the federal government's handling of Katrina aren't in Louisiana to answer polls about it now....



Would it be safe too presume that a post by you with only a quote from yours truly, as a sign of disapproval? It may seem uncalled for, but my intentions were not meant to come across in a mocking way. This is not the first poll like this i have come across that has reflected this opinion. I was just noting a few things

- These folks are in a better position then the rest of us to note the difference in governing style of the two administrations.
- Our media has been stonewalled over the gulf spill by our government, and it appears they are going too laugh it off? By golly if this was the evil Bush administration caught doing such a thing, there would be much derision for McChimpyBu$Hitler and everyone would be calling for his blood along with the usual cries of impeachment, and rightly so i might add! I might as well also add that our media would be brimming wide with joyful gloating over such an expose of the Bush administration!
- Most gulf states and their residents are still in favor of off shore drilling which i think puts them at odds with the Obama administration's new opinion?
- I don't know what will happen in the mid terms, but if the Democrats lose big time,  i sure as in heck hope Republicans don't get cocky if they gain heavily at the expense of the Democrats?




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Oh, no not Geraldo! God will get you for that Al!
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The extent of my knowledge about that guy (clown is a better word) is a youtube clip you posted about that guy searching for Al Capone's missing treasure.
 
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Geraldo "If it bleeds, it leads." Rivera, not a person to ever be taken seriously!
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The horrible implications of placing the blame on Katrina for the factual disintegration of New Orleans in terms of both economic and cultural history is the height of arrogance. In essence, the city (and Orleans Parish) had imploded long before Mother Nature delivered the coupe de grace. Long shorn of its significance as the major export center for the American heartland and forcefully denied a necessary tax base for effective government (over 70% of its surface was tax-exempt), all that katrina did was to fully reveal the on-going rot. Cruel and frank, but nevertheless true.
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Panther:
The thing that made me cringe the most was the response by FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
 
During my working life, I became heavily involved with Disaster Management and attended many courses on various aspects of the Planning, Preparation Recovery and Response, aspects.
 
Early in my education on this topic, we were taught that the FEMA model was one of the best in the world. Well, it isn't.
 
Many, many people are still living in damaged housing, without electricity and water as the result of natural disasters in the US. The US Federal Government, through FEMA, appears to have completely lost sight of the "Recovery" Phase of Disaster Management, a phase which starts right at the beginning of the disaster, and over-arches the other phases.
 
The result is as I described above, which causes jealousy and resentment in the community, a feeling of "them" and "us".
 
I know that in many cases the householders didn't have insurance, and that poses a problem for governments at all levels. But this is just another case which highlights the need for less expenditure on Space Programs and the Military, in favour of the communities.
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