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    Posted: 04 Dec 2014 at 17:51
In developing an imaginary society, what would make the people, or rulers, more hypocritical or less?

What would make it more plausible if they're not being hypocritical about the awful things they're doing?

If, for example, a dissident gets killed, the people will ask what happened to him.  

The rulers might give any one of several responses.

But what historical background would lead to the rulers giving any of these responses?

We have no idea who he is.
It was an accident.
One of our agents shot him by accident and he has been disciplined.
He was a troublemaker, that's all.
He tried to expose state secrets (and he really didn't).
He tried to expose state secrets (and he really did).
He was having affair with the Premier's wife (and he wasn't).
He was having an affair with the Premier's wife (and he was).
He committed suicide in prison (and he did.)
He committed suicide in prison (he was murdered so he wouldn't reveal embarrassing things at the trial).
He was killed in prison so he wouldn't reveal state secrets at the trial.
It's simply an efficient way of dealing with political opponents.  Don't worry about it.  Happens all the time.

What would make those responses plausible in a story?

Thanks for any help.


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Originally posted by Grasslands1 Grasslands1 wrote:

In developing an imaginary society, what would make the people, or rulers, more hypocritical or less?

What would make it more plausible if they're not being hypocritical about the awful things they're doing?

If, for example, a dissident gets killed, the people will ask what happened to him.  

The rulers might give any one of several responses.

<span style="line-height: 1.4;">But what historical background would lead to the rulers giving any of these responses?</span>

We have no idea who he is.
It was an accident.
One of our agents shot him by accident and he has been disciplined.
He was a troublemaker, that's all.
He tried to expose state secrets (and he really didn't).
He tried to expose state secrets (and he really did).
He was having affair with the Premier's wife (and he wasn't).
He was having an affair with the Premier's wife (and he was).
He committed suicide in prison (and he did.)
He committed suicide in prison (he was murdered so he wouldn't reveal embarrassing things at the trial).
He was killed in prison so he wouldn't reveal state secrets at the trial.
It's simply an efficient way of dealing with political opponents.  Don't worry about it.  Happens all the time.

What would make those responses plausible in a story?

Thanks for any help.




Hypocricy, I think, depends in where you stand.

For example, all of the former colonising countries have acted with hypocrisy in their dealings with the indigenous people of the countries they have colonised.

The Christian religion in medieval times was hypocritical in the actions of not only the Inquisition, but of the general administration and operation of the church, and it is not alone.

It's not that I was born in Ireland,
It's the Ireland that was born in me.
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What a more hypocritical society than the USA.
Is the champion of freedom, but it has invaded hundred of countries in its history, sometimes robbing lands (like with Indians lands and Mexico) or committing genocides (Philippines, Vietnam).
Is a democracy but during the Cold War promoted dictatorships abroad.
Is the country of equality but considered blacks subhumans for most of its history.
Is the country of Jefferson, a founding father that claimed all men were created equal, but that also had slaves in his plantation.
Is the country that promoted values, but defended eugenics and abortion.
Is the country of opportunities that has a quarter of its population living in poverty.
Is the country of the people where only the rich enjoy life.
Is the country that loves its roots but forgets the Indians.
Is the land of the free, where people is afraid to die in the next mass shooting.
Is the country that defends freedom of speak and conscience but where there are large number of intolerant protestants.
Is a country that promotes universal culture but don't want illegals at home.
And the list goes on and on.



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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:


What a more hypocritical society than the USA.
Is the champion of freedom, but it has invaded hundred of countries in its history, sometimes robbing lands (like with Indians lands and Mexico) or committing genocides (Philippines, Vietnam).
Is a democracy but during the Cold War promoted dictatorships abroad.
Is the country of equality but considered blacks subhumans for most of its history.
Is the country of Jefferson, a founding father that claimed all men were created equal, but that also had slaves in his plantation.
Is the country that promoted values, but defended eugenics and abortion.
Is the country of opportunities that has a quarter of its population living in poverty.
Is the country of the people where only the rich enjoy life.
Is the country that loves its roots but forgets the Indians.
Is the land of the free, where people is afraid to die in the next mass shooting.
Is the country that defends freedom of speak and conscience but where there are large number of intolerant protestants.
Is a country that promotes universal culture but don't want illegals at home.
And the list goes on and on.



Quote What a more hypocritical society than the USA.
Is the champion of freedom, but it has invaded hundred of countries in its history, sometimes robbing lands (like with Indians lands and Mexico) or committing genocides (Philippines, Vietnam).


In doing so, it joins many other of the countries generally regarded as civilised.

I think you may have misunderstood the meaning of "genocide". The US has not committed genocide anywhere in the world, although it went close with the original Americans.

Quote Is a democracy but during the Cold War promoted dictatorships abroad.


Politics makes for strange bed-fellows.

Quote Is a country that promotes universal culture but don't want illegals at home.


No country can tolerate unchecked illegal migration. In Australia, we have this problem to a far lesser extent, and we're sending them back.

The USA is in the process of legitimising many illegals who have lived in the USA for years.

As for the rest of your comments, I agree to a certain extent, but the US isn't alone in these.

Edited by toyomotor - 07 Dec 2014 at 03:33
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"In the land of the blind, the one eyed men are king."
I seem to remember that this was said about Ngo Dinh Diem, South Vietnamese ruler, by maybe, Eisenhower??

Hypocrisy recognizes that certain things are good in an ideal way,
even though the reality of dealing with life, politics, whatever, falls far short
of realizing those ideals.  We may have a business and believe that ideally
the best person for the job should be hired, but along comes our nephew
and we give him a position, because we can, and because he needs to start
somewhere, but _not_ necessarily because he is the best person.  That doesn't
mean that we don't believe in hiring the best, it just means that in this instance,
family trumps ideals.  It is corruption, but it is a form of corruption that recognizes
that things should be different.  At least, give hypocrisy credit for that.
If people pretend to be decent, you can appeal to that in your dealings with them.
In hypocrisy, its not their real interest, but it can be useful if you can figure out how to approach it.
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