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Have you not iterated this subject enough yet?
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It fascinates me. It seems to me, in my naive way to see the world, that Africans will expand up to they cover the whole surface of the planet, one in top of the other.
Anyways. It was just to open the discussion.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

It fascinates me. It seems to me, in my naive way to see the world, that Africans will expand up to they cover the whole surface of the planet, one in top of the other.
Anyways. It was just to open the discussion.
 
I do not think they will expand so very much more. The winds of economical and social change are also affecting Africa. One example is the involvment of China which will contribute to such a change.
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Otherwise, the whole world's rain forests will have to be burn, just to feed them. The whole atlantic will have to be converted in an aquaculture pool to growth them food. How many will they be when they end to reproduce like crazy? 4 billions, 8, 16, 32, 64 billions?


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Is it only Africans that reproduce in the world of today?
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Is it only Africans that reproduce in the world of today?


They are the only ones that reproduce out of control, following an exponential growth.
But don't worry, Brazilians are burning the Amazons to feed them.


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My fine feathered friend wrote above;
 
"It fascinates me. It seems to me, in my naive way to see the world, that Africans will expand up to they cover the whole surface of the planet, one in top of the other.
Anyways. It was just to open the discussion."
 
And, of course it should be discussed in a manner?  But, perhaps we might well also substitute the word "Moslem" in place of "African?"
 
Is there any way out?
 
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Muslim? Nope, Most muslims don't have moderated theirs population growth already. The region out of control is Subsaharan Africa.

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If Muslim population growth in France continues and emigration is still allowed (such as from Lybia, etc.) then in 50-75 or so years, the Muslim population of France might well hit a tipping point?
What happens then to France?
 
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France is doomed. It will be a happy copy of Iran or Somalia. That happens when a people lose the will to survive, make its goal to reach success and make money only, and forgets about reproducing.

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How did that old movie dialogue go, from "The Producers", I think?  "First, France, and then ?"Wink
 
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And from a very old movie that has later been called "The Island of Dr. Moreau";
 
"Are we not men?  What is the Law?"  Just what will be the "law" in France and England, if the current trends are not eliminated?  "The law says to stone them!"
 
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Why to worry about France? Better worry about the world.
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Ditto!
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Is it only Africans that reproduce in the world of today?


They are the only ones that reproduce out of control, following an exponential growth.
It's not exponential. It's not even differentiable. And exponential growth may be very slow as well as very fast.
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Originally posted by opuslola opuslola wrote:

If Muslim population growth in France continues and emigration is still allowed (such as from Lybia, etc.) then in 50-75 or so years, the Muslim population of France might well hit a tipping point?
What happens then to France?
It gets rich living off all of those flying pigs around.  
Religion has nothing whatsoever to do with this. 
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

France is doomed. It will be a happy copy of Iran or Somalia. That happens when a people lose the will to survive, make its goal to reach success and make money only, and forgets about reproducing.
'The sky is falling down' - Chicken Little, passim.
 
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Yes, the sky fall down on top of the French.
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And how do you know that?
 
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My French neighbour told me. She said Paris today looks like the bar at the Star Wars I movie.


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So your french neighbour did a complete census in France and implemented the normal statistical analysis techniques used by demographers and reached to this conclusion right?
 
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Shocking. Imagine there being black people in Europe.
I feel so sorry for those poor Europeans having to put up with other people on the planet.
 
The correct expression is: "Paris is wonderful, it's like the bar is Star Wars".
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Yes, my French mistress, tells me the same things!  We meet about every other month in my apartment in Wentger, where she complains of such trifilling things!  But you know how hard it is to keep a French mistress (who is very rich)?Wink
 
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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Shocking. Imagine there being black people in Europe.
I feel so sorry for those poor Europeans having to put up with other people on the planet.
 
The correct expression is: "Paris is wonderful, it's like the bar is Star Wars".


Yes, that's why my neighbour preffer to live in Chile. Her husband, who is a civil constructor that build buildings, don't hire any allien in his projects. Good rule.
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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Shocking. Imagine there being black people in Europe.
I feel so sorry for those poor Europeans having to put up with other people on the planet.
 
Eheheh. It's a boon. Monocultural societies foster and favour all that is simple-minded, stagnant and xenophobic, it discriminates not only against all things foreign but enforces its mainstream culture internally as well with the threat of social exclusion. I've lived in homogenous societies most of my life and entering into multicultural ones feels like finally reaching a place with fresh air and a freedom of choice that isn't just theoretical.
 
That's not to say all comers are welcome. All things must be considered in light of one's own selfish best interest, but restricting immigration for the sake of restricting immigration is definitely not in anyone's best interest, just as receiving everyone for the sake of being a great humanitarian isn't either. If anything has nurtured xenophobia in Europe it's immigration happening too fast for people to warm up to it, and it contains the risk of provoking a counterreaction in line with the ideas of people like the BNP and Wilders.
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We could ask a question wether the whole discussion about "mono" or "mulit"  - culture - has failed. There is so many vague ideas here. And then: can there be any general "formula" for the ideal degree of openness towards immigrants`and their habits, wherever they come from? The widespread idea that national independence is preferable to imperial control seems to be related to an idea the residents of any country has the right to it.

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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

My French neighbour told me. She said Paris today looks like the bar at the Star Wars I movie.

I first went to Paris as a teenager in 1950. I last went a couple of years ago. It's always been my favourite large city, though I don't get there as often now as I did. It looks just the same as it did sixty years ago, apart from the modern office buildings at places like Montparnasse and La Défense.
 
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Gcle-2003, I am glad that you posted the above!  I was actually in Paris for the last time in the spring of 1971, and it was, and always will be one of the most beautiful cities I have ever seen, and I have seen a few!  It might well not just be the visual factor, but there was almost an underlying feeling that you could not touch, but just feel, that you must savor the moment!
 
I would love to see it again before I take my place in the Firmament, or "The Arch of Heaven."  Look well for me there?Approve
 
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Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

We could ask a question wether the whole discussion about "mono" or "mulit"  - culture - has failed. There is so many vague ideas here. And then: can there be any general "formula" for the ideal degree of openness towards immigrants`and their habits, wherever they come from? The widespread idea that national independence is preferable to imperial control seems to be related to an idea the residents of any country has the right to it.
 
Multiculturalism simply can't fail, because it is the global reality. The only thing that can fail is the idea that we have anything to gain from shutting ourselves out of the world, or that it's even possible. Multiculturalism has to "work" because there is no alternative, though what indicates its functionality is controversial because of cultural conservatism and imperialism. Many a Westerner would argue multiculturalism has "failed" if Somalis in their country circumsize their daughters, but rationally speaking nothing of the kind has happened. If people who circumsize and don't circumsize their daughters are able to live side by side without sticking their nose in the other's business and causing conflict, that to me is multiculturalism working. Live and let live and multiculturalism will set us all free.
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Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

We could ask a question wether the whole discussion about "mono" or "mulit"  - culture - has failed. There is so many vague ideas here. And then: can there be any general "formula" for the ideal degree of openness towards immigrants`and their habits, wherever they come from? The widespread idea that national independence is preferable to imperial control seems to be related to an idea the residents of any country has the right to it.
 
Multiculturalism simply can't fail, because it is the global reality. The only thing that can fail is the idea that we have anything to gain from shutting ourselves out of the world, or that it's even possible. Multiculturalism has to "work" because there is no alternative, though what indicates its functionality is controversial because of cultural conservatism and imperialism. Many a Westerner would argue multiculturalism has "failed" if Somalis in their country circumsize their daughters, but rationally speaking nothing of the kind has happened. If people who circumsize and don't circumsize their daughters are able to live side by side without sticking their nose in the other's business and causing conflict, that to me is multiculturalism working. Live and let live and multiculturalism will set us all free.
Both  multi-and mono- culturalism seems to be so vague they are of little use, and You poast did only reinforce my point of view. for mje it is very much dependent on context.  The example You mention could as well be seen as one of "segregation".
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