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To live in the past, no. To visit it and spend money in their version of gift shops, sure. So... i would probably spend a lot of time gallivanting around the British isles of the 19th century.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Voltage Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2013 at 15:41
Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

To live in the past, no. To visit it and spend money in their version of gift shops, sure. So... i would probably spend a lot of time gallivanting around the British isles of the 19th century.


Spend Money, What Money? Do you have some stash of British Pounds from the 19th century? Or you want to buy some gold to bring back with you?

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Originally posted by Voltage Voltage wrote:

Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

To live in the past, no. To visit it and spend money in their version of gift shops, sure. So... i would probably spend a lot of time gallivanting around the British isles of the 19th century.


Spend Money, What Money? Do you have some stash of British Pounds from the 19th century? Or you want to buy some gold to bring back with you?



If i ever figured out a way to travel through time then coming up with money for whatever period i go to  would present no problem. Wink


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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Originally posted by Voltage Voltage wrote:

Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

To live in the past, no. To visit it and spend money in their version of gift shops, sure. So... i would probably spend a lot of time gallivanting around the British isles of the 19th century.


Spend Money, What Money? Do you have some stash of British Pounds from the 19th century? Or you want to buy some gold to bring back with you?



If i ever figured out a way to travel through time then coming up with money for whatever period i go to  would present no problem. Wink

Hmm, or you could just figure out the means to travel time and ask me for the money, I can help out with that. I collect world coins from anywhere from the Ancient Lydians and Hongshan, to the Modern countries, it gives me the excuse to Lady Cao why I don't want to get rid of the coins in my old silk bag. Plus coins from Britain in the 19th Century are relatively cheap considering the fact that they aren't the same pounds as used after 1974, so even if I can't find any in MY world coin collection I have the option of 500 coin, antique, and import shops.
在財富的害處,而是一件好事永遠不持續。我在和平中仅居住在新的風下。 Wei Jia Hong No harm in wealth, but a good thing doesn't last forever. I live only among peace under
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To me, people of the past seem me so brutal and inhuman, that I would really be afraid to move back in time. Consider that the humans rights declaration is only from the middle of the XX century, and that only after nuclear bombs man started to reconsider war as something bad.
And, living in a world without modern medicine, without anesthetics, crowded by an alphabets, and living no more than 30 years, is not what I expect for a good living. If I live in the upper middle ages, for instance, and got money, the only technological novelty I may had is a mechanical clock (with automaton as modern coo-Koo clocks with its mechanical bird Confused) on top of the chimney, that I would look all the day long as theirs figures move, and show friends.... LOL Well, I prefer to watch cable and Internet.

In fact, even in those "wonderful places" like Classic Athens, most people was slave or serves, and treated like animals. Remember that the first emperor of China build the Chinese Wall with the bones of his subjects! And no matter I love Mayan and Aztec antiquities, I don't appreciate much theirs human sacrifices.

So, I prefer the present. But if I have a chance to visit the future, I wouldn't doubt to go there.




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Eh, maybe it's because I'm so old, but I've always wanted to go back in time to see what my ancestors did to put me in my position. Wink
在財富的害處,而是一件好事永遠不持續。我在和平中仅居住在新的風下。 Wei Jia Hong No harm in wealth, but a good thing doesn't last forever. I live only among peace under
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Well, I am not a teen either. However, I would like to "visit" the past, but not to "live" there :)
It would be amazing to see those exams in middle ages' China, for instance. I read in a book, students prepared those exams taking "photocopies" (stones inked where students put theirs own papers to get copies) from a Taoist temple.
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Eh, that system was still around in the village long after the middle ages, but then again, my family was the first to see a radio, and that was when most people could only afford food and land little by little. I did have fun sneaking through the temples  watching people preparing for examinations, praying to the Scholar gods, practicing the thousand character essay over and over again in all writings, studying their copies of Confucian texts, only to find out that the government didn't use the examinations anymore, it was all elected, the examinations were just for posterity. It was kinda funny watching my little village going absolutely insane and causing such a ruckus to the point that some guards got launched almost literally Monty Python style out of the village because of the rage of 40 teenagers who passed the examination only to find it worthless to a changed China. I still studied for the examinations and just before I left the village, I got the luck of taking one of the last runs for the examination in the village, and I passed, top 10 in the group, but I failed where my ancestors who passed succeeded, I could never use the examination curriculum in the outside world without being worthless in my caste of a low-ranked teacher or a mechanical operator, while my ancestors got to use their knowledge, lucky ancient bastardsLOL
在財富的害處,而是一件好事永遠不持續。我在和平中仅居住在新的風下。 Wei Jia Hong No harm in wealth, but a good thing doesn't last forever. I live only among peace under
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That's amazing! Please share more. Do you know the Chinese exam system was copied by the British, and then spread worldwide. Some say the standardized aptitude tests that many universities take for admissions in the modern world, are rooted in that Chinese tradition.
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Well, the system itself worked, which is probably the reason it became popular, but the education that the testing requires can exaggerate the Arts a little too much, but it doesn't really surprise me that the test-takers then and now have to endure similar conditions, no talking at all, ever. The modern testing required now takes a week, maybe more, but only 2 or 3 hours are used each day during the testing (at least in Kentucky), while the original examinations gave 3 days and 3 nights to complete. The calligraphy part took me the longest time, but I did a little extra work, I wrote the  thousand Character Essay in the classic scripts (Zhuan, Li, Xing, Cao, and Kai scripts, Zhuan was 2 scripts, and I wrote in the Kangxi Dictionary equivalent to the original characters), when it only required my favorite or my most excelled script, which was Li Shu for me. We were given our meals by a person sliding a plate of food under the curtains that hid the test-takers in their own stalls to prevent cheating. The testing area was relatively large, each person got a bed, a bed pan, a lantern, brushes, few permitted manuscripts, paper and prompts, a table for a work-space and ink to write with in our own stalls. I got the high score because I listened in every lesson, and remembered the lifestyles that the village endured along with the lifestyles in the cities. The things I remembered seeing at such a young age influenced the abilities I had at my disposal during the examinations. People generally didn't pass the exams because either they had not studied often and didn't really care, or the test-takers were supposed to actually complete the test and they hired someone else to do it for them, but either one spent a family's entire funding usually (in my family's case, we had to pay a small fee for me and my cousin to take the examination, he failed and still got a government position later in life), except when it was just held for posterity, when the fee was smaller. There was once a man, who had failed the examinations because his calligraphy was not quite to the judges' expectations from such a calligrapher, so he practiced and saved money for 3 years  non-stop until he had absolutely perfected it, thousands of copies in Li Shu alone. That's one of the flaws in the test, it pushes too much into arts, such as calligraphy, and not enough into genuine government issues. Modern testing, although has a few flaws too, is more practical in a sense, although it did look at the right place to get an idea of how to test people, but the Imperial Examination was very confined, almost like prison for 3 days: the people serving meals were not allowed to talk, nor the test-takers allowed to speak to anyone, not even a whisper, or they would be escorted out, no one wore shoes (but then again, that was likely because many had no shoes to fit in with their scholar uniforms, which I still have), no one could send notes to anyone, the only contact to the outside world was the cook sliding food under a door. About 120 people of all ages took the examinations when I took the test myself, 290 the time before, when the announcement was made that the test was only taken for posterity, so many people who would have failed refused to retake the test. I was the 9th highest score, out of the 38 that had finally passed, my cousin was very close to passing, but failed after his calligraphy portion was not acceptable. Back then, testing was not restricted to certain age groups, anyone from old enough to read and write can basically take the examinations, but they were mostly scholars and people with libraries big enough to give one person in Modern China each a book, and mostly in there 20s and 30s, but it was not uncommon for people to take the examinations at a young age, I was 10 and passed, but I was a special case, my family had the Library of Alexandria at our disposal (not literally, but enough philosophy to make the Annals of Tesitus look like a pamphlet), and I had an advanced brain, I could hold information, contemplate it, and concentrate for massive amounts of time, which was proven to be an advantage. My family had too much time when we didn't need to man the fields and it was usual for my family to force things down my throat LOL, much to the dismay of the oldest sons in each part of the family. I'm glad I took the examinations, it was a valuable experience in my life, and it helped out with the hierarchy of the group of the Manchus that stayed together for 6 years, I was one of the 4 in the group to have even taken the test, and those who passed formed an unofficial government to lead the group, we all still survived, relatively staying together for years, and now we still use the hierarchy to decide who calls the shots, so I guess the examination worked in that sense. But, I still think it's a little out-dated when it comes to philosophy and no one in government goes through such an examination any more, most are elected, and they went through law school (in many cases). At least it was fun to see the examination term before mine, everyone's reaction to the officials of the Republic was hysterical, looked like a TV show gone terribly wrong LOL
在財富的害處,而是一件好事永遠不持續。我在和平中仅居住在新的風下。 Wei Jia Hong No harm in wealth, but a good thing doesn't last forever. I live only among peace under
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That´s amazing. I couldn't believe there were people alive today that had passed those exams. I though they were from the 19th century at most. Glad to know you took it. As I say, we always learn something new.


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Thank you very mcuh Lao Tse.. this puts much more perspective on how things have changed and how they have still stubbornly stayed the same I did not know that Chinese in the 1920'/30's were still taking the traditional exams


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Glad to show my perspective Big smile

Those exams are often still portrayed in media and every now and then, referenced in Operas, even the hanfu that was worn before the Qing reforms is still used in these portrayals. But, the exams in my time were different, the clothing permitted was different, and the reason for taking the exams were different. I mostly did it because I knew I was going to be the last one in the family who was going to have the opportunity to take the examinations, and it still looks good on a resume to have the fact of passing an examination that is still considered somewhat prestigious, it's one of the reasons I had the opportunity to go so many places in Europe. But, in its hey-day, the examinations decided who was going to be a voice for the people in Government. Then again, taking the examinations in the 1500s is of course different from taking the examinations when it was considered obsolete, in many ways. I still think the exams are pointless to use now, the Confucian philosophy focus in education is rarely useful in the ever growing new economy and industry Dead
在財富的害處,而是一件好事永遠不持續。我在和平中仅居住在新的風下。 Wei Jia Hong No harm in wealth, but a good thing doesn't last forever. I live only among peace under
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Allow me, if you will, to reverse the OP.
 
I'd like to know where I'm going to die, and then never go there.
It's not that I was born in Ireland,
It's the Ireland that was born in me.
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A man came to the caliph, and said, "give me your fastest horse! I just saw Death and he reacted strangely when he saw me.  I am going to Samarkand!"  The caliph gave the man the horse, and the man took off.

Later the caliph saw Death and asked why he had reacted so strangely when he had seen his loyal subject.  Death said, "why, i was so surprised to see him, for tomorrow I have an appointment to see him in Samarkand."

The political philosopher Leo Strauss said that he wanted to live in Moses Maimonides' Cairo (contemporary with Saladin), but he would miss Nietzsche.

I am dependent on modern medicine and I dislike change, so I am willingly stuck in this time....now....now....now.
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