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    Posted: 27 Dec 2020 at 23:10
I've encountered a number of sources that claimed that Indian population declined in 19th century. 
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/india-35-million-deaths-britain-shashi-tharoor-british-empire-a7627041.html

One Russian source provided an estimate of 26 mln death in India in the last quarter of the 19th century.

How reliable are those estimates? 

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Look up India and famine on wikipedia, there are at least three between 1870 and 1913.

I think the USA statistics might be a little misleading, specifically GDP in 1870, I wonder what a pre-civil war statistic, say 1860 would look like, compared to 1870.
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Yeah, a good hint. I recall the Irish famine of 1840s as well, so British seemed to prefer that method over others. Although pardon me for saying that, because back in the 19th century Russia would barely have any 10 years without famine too

I am also a little confused about the Maddison's calcs for Russia based on Soviet statistics, because the SU never really was as large as the Russian empire back in the 19th century, which also included the vast territories of Poland and Finland (this may seem a bit ironic, given the fact that Russia has always been more backward than Finland or Poland both culturally, economically and politically - it's almost like savages wielding power over academicians) 
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If academicians led to the purges of Stalin, then maybe it was better when savages were in control.  Or maybe the academicians became the savages, under the mantle of the new aristocracy.

I am not sure you can trust Soviet statistics, of course, I am sure that sometimes you cannot trust American statistics.  Hoover instituted figuring out the unemployment rate, because he believed that the least one (he) could do is accurately describe what went on.  Barack Obama changed this, saying that people who had not been employed for a while were not unemployed.  Because "unemployed" implies that one was looking for a job, and those people (according to him) were no longer looking.  There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.  But, I do admire your attempt to get a more accurate picture.

From what I understand (but not well), the price of steak was in the 1950s and '60s part of goods determining the poverty index.  At some point however, hamburger was substituted for steak, because people ?like hamburger better???  Sounds like a rationalization that has nothing to do with honest statistics.  Figures don't lie, but liars figure.


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Well, in Russia it's pretty much the same story down here, we have the so-called RosStat responsible for gathering and managing national statistical data. The control over it has been constantly shifted between a few government bodies, so sometimes RosStat is subordinated directly to the Government, sometimes - to one of its ministries.  There've been 5 or 6 changes since Putin took the office, as if they had nothing else to do. And guess what?  Whenever the national economy cripples,  they always start changing the methodology for their calcs,  so that the figures look not so bad. If you watched British TV series "Yes, minister", that's the source of inspiration for ministers and propaganda folks, they use this series as guidebook for accession to the office.
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Now Russia is modernizing LOL


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