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    Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 08:43
Iran-Afghanistan-Pakistan which area they belong to?

Iran

I think geographically, culturally and historically it is west Asian with connection to Central Asia

Afghanistan

Most likely a central Asian but it can be a western Asian as well.

Pakistan

a hard decision between central and south asian

what is your Idea?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 10:03
Iran and Afghanistan are essentially one and the same for me, while pakistan has one foot on the Iranian side and the other in India with the Indus in the middle and a bit extra in the Himalaya section which is neither iranic or indic
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Moved to South Asia - unless you want to keep this thread with the South Asia/West Asia thread?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 06:41
Baluchistan I would say is the boundary between South Asia and Iran, with the Southern half of Afghanistan (south east of the mountains) being in South Asia and the northern half in the same geographic region as Iran.

As to what that region is... well, Iran is part "West Asia" and part Central Asia... of course...
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South Asia. East Iran and South Afghanistan physically closely resemble Pakistan. I would consider North Afghanistan as Central Asia and West Iran as West Asia.
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How about "Tribal Asia"? Since we are going to dismiss both geography (the continuity of the Indus Valley within the semi-arid plateaus of the region) and politics (the two actually cohesive entities ruled from Tehran and Delhi), then all we have are a mind boggling array of tribes in defiance of a ruling class operating within Western sensibilities.
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Tribal Asia? How so., The Tribal regions are a tiny part of the whole area.

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Originally posted by Sparten Sparten wrote:

Tribal Asia? How so., The Tribal regions are a tiny part of the whole area.
 
 
We can dwell, Sparten, on the Punjabi plurality, but the shaded areas in the map above give a clue as to the "emptiness" of a Pakistani political identity. The abandonment of the Sidhi regions (Hyderabad/Karachi) for the Punjabi North after 1959 was more than symbolic as far as geo-politics is concerned. Let me quote Sir Alfred Lyall:
 
And far from Suleiman Heights comes the sound of stirring tribes; Afridi, Hazara, Gilzai; They clamour for plunder and bribes; And Herat is held by a thread; And the Uzbeks have raised Badakhshan; And the Chief may sleep sound, in his grave, who would rule the unruly Afghans.
 
Well, the Pushtuns have changed but little in the interim and the complexity of populations in Balochistan is more than just a harbinger of things to come. Here is an admittedly Balochi perspective:
 
 
In a sense, one might say that Islamabad has pursued a "tribal" war for the recovery of the Punjabi Irredenti shaped by the 1947 partition at the expense of the totality known as Pakistan. Throw into this mixture the untrammeled urbanization of the Indus valley into a hofge-podge of institutionalized poverty, the cauldron can only boil up a disastrous soup of atavistic identities.
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drgonzaga, Bharat Rakshak is a Indian nationalistic website. Hardly the sort of thing that you would refer to.
Or at least anyone who had even the remotest inkling of what they were talking about.
 
 
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Many years ago, in grammar-school geography class, we were taught that Central Asia ( or Southcentral Asia ) consisted of India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran, so that is how I still think of them, though it's probably not in accordance with modern geographic terminology. Nowadays, it would also include Bangladesh ( in those days, East Pakistan). The nations to the west were considered to be the Middle East, and those to the east were Southeast Asia. The nations to the north, which at that time were part of the Soviet Union, we learned as Turkestan.
 
It's actually not a bad classification, as India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran all have some cultural affinities and the people are  predominantly of Indo-aryan ( or Indo-iranic) stock.
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Originally posted by Sparten Sparten wrote:

drgonzaga, Bharat Rakshak is a Indian nationalistic website. Hardly the sort of thing that you would refer to.
Or at least anyone who had even the remotest inkling of what they were talking about.
 
Well Sparten, I did underscore caution since the "tribal" is not exactly unknown in the Republic of India either. Besides, the Singh article cited has nothing to do with the map or my observations. Certainly, just as Pakistan plays the Kashmir card, you would expect the Indi to play the Balochi card, wouldn't you?
 
PS: Now, I would not call Bharat-Rakshak a "nationalist" web site since it does admittedly make known its links to the Indian military. There are good articles within its wide array of sites and many are cited by Global Security.org...would you call them an American nationalist site?


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I would say that the whole of the Iranian plateau is in Central Asia:

the Iranian plateau "is a geological formation in Southwest Asia and Southern Asia. It is the part of the Eurasian Plate wedged between the Arabian and Indian plates, situated between the Zagros mountains to the west, the Caspian Sea and the Kopet Dag to the north, the Hormuz Strait and Arabian Sea to the south and Hindu Kush to the east."

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Originally posted by Windemere Windemere wrote:

Many years ago, in grammar-school geography class, we were taught that Central Asia ( or Southcentral Asia ) consisted of India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran, so that is how I still think of them, though it's probably not in accordance with modern geographic terminology. Nowadays, it would also include Bangladesh ( in those days, East Pakistan). The nations to the west were considered to be the Middle East, and those to the east were Southeast Asia. The nations to the north, which at that time were part of the Soviet Union, we learned as Turkestan.


Interesting... I like that classification.

Originally posted by Windemere Windemere wrote:

It's actually not a bad classification, as India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran all have some cultural affinities and the people are predominantly of Indo-aryan ( or Indo-iranic) stock.


Agreed, East Iran and South Afghanistan appear physically simillar to Pakistan and parts of North West India. And North West India is the most populous region of India.

Though there is clear Iranid/Orientalid admixture among Barjawn Iranis and Pashtun Afghanis. This racial type is completely absent in India save for the Muslims.

By the way, racially much of India and probably Pakistan have nothing to do with Vedic Aryans.

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How about multi regional, all of them.

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Well I would go with Sparten's word of multi regional for all 3 countries.
Iran is a part of Western, Southern as well as Central Asia while Afghanistan is half Central and half Southern while still having shades of Wester Asia too, Pakistan's 3/4 could be classified in South East Asia while the rest (North Most of the Pakistan along with Kashmir) would be under the shades of Central Asia.
 
 


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Very interesting I was wondering about the different identities of both the Persian, Turkic or Indo Aryan pride in these countries. I guess the people from different tribes living in Pakistan ,Iran, and Afghanistan would be very careful on the race card the would play when taking a vacation within these regions. Its the wonder if the Persian identity is very prominent in the Caucaus region as well as Central Asia?  And while were at if the PanTurkic and Indo -Aryan identities of Central Asia, which tribes identify with what? Something to think about.


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