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    Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 00:49
Prior to the expansion of Turkic-speakers into western Central Asia, Iranic speakers such as Scythians and Sarmatians had occupied a vast territory from the Black Sea coast to western Mongolia.
While the relationship with the Chinese and Turkic-speakers such as the Xiongnu was well-documented, did the Chinese ever come into contact with any of the Iranic nomads? If they did, then was any diplomatic relations established?

The Chinese did establish diplomatic relations alliance with a handful of Indo-European peoples in the Silk Road, such as the Wusun, Kangchu, and Yuezhi, but most of these were probably not Iranic speaking, and were probably sedentary civilizations where people lived in cities.


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Of course they did. There is famous story of Ban Chao.
 
 
Actually, Yuezhi and Wusun had very close relations with China, needless to say that almost all the information we about them comes from the Chinese sources.
 
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I think there is a high possibility that some of the current day Uighurs being descendants of those Iranic tribes which we have heard about. Many Uighurs pass regular Iranic feature, but many pass eastern Turkic feature as well.Smile There are some rumors which say Kyrkiz Tribes used to have European features, before Mongolian conquest of Chengis khan. Their existence has been proven many times from Tarim basin Mummies, Turphan caves painting, Chinese history accounts and Persian stories about their existence, but who are their real descendants is a mystery.


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In Shahnameh, you can read about Hamavaran kingdom which is somewhere in central Asia along with historic Turan. Some say Hamavaran is the same as Saka Haumavarga (Hauma worshipers) of Behistun inscription (Persian achaemenid inscription) or Amyrgians of Herodotus. Sudabeh dauther of Hamavaran king marries Kai Kavus (Iranian mythical king) in Shahnameh.
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Yuezhi was Iranic, the rest tribes not Iranic.
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Originally posted by calvo calvo wrote:

Turkic-speakers such as the Xiongnu
Hiongnu language was mongolic,culture.gene etc.
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Xiongnu language is believed to be Turkic by the majority of scholars. The fact that their language was the same with the "language of Turks" is also confirmed by the Chinese sources.

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