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Is Spain a democracy?

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    Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 15:36
Hello

For me obviously, no. There is not any political representation and there is not different powers in origin (elected).
As well as is a monarchy that comes from Franco's way to think (imagine), making impossible any real democracy. I talk of democracy, not exclusivily of a representative system as the English, that is a monarchy with tradition and good habits.

That is my opinion, of course.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote franciscosan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 04:43
Doesn't Spain have elections?
Most countries are probably (technically) a mixed government.
You might even say the US is a mixed government, because everyone of any status in the executive branch (besides the President and the Vice President), plus all judges are appointed, not elected.  
US Senators used to be appointed by Governors, (as far as I know, see Mr. Smith Goes to Washington), now they are elected.
The United States of course has the odd, three layers of government, local, state and Federal.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fintan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Aug 2015 at 10:43

Hello franciscosan



Yes, there are elections but it don’t mean is a democracy.

In Franco’s time also there were elections, they call the system, organic democracy that means it was not a democracy. Only vote the named “tercio familiar” that were heads of family, I mean men. You can find it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortes_Espa%C3%B1olas

 

The problem is near all Europe havethe same system that comes from the WWII and are

Oligarchy, minorities represented by political parties that get the power by dishonest ways,

Call elections by list or open list and based on a proportional system that let the party chief

Control directly the people that appear in the lists that have to show gratitude, not to the people that vote the lists but only to this chief that put them in the lists. It make it that for four year a only man have all the state power. Next elections another dictator order as an absolute king over his subjects as could make Franco, Mussolini, etc… the only diference

Is the time four years, but in four years another dictator of the same system (party system)

Is ready for the comedy.

The absolute power of these people is based in the lack of representation (Lists)

And the separation of powers is as this:

-       All the  public prosecutor or district attorneys are not public , prosecutor, didn’t come of any election and don’t know any district because doen’t exist.

-       They are appointed by Government  by law and due obedience to the dictator. Its explain some incredible happenings as to defend against the judge (only first instance judges comes from entrance exams, some of then, just some because are against the system, honest, depending each judge) acussed people as the Infanta Cristina. That is an scandal the system assume without any disgrace.

-       Up of the first instance judges , all the judicial power depent of the “Consejo General del Poder Judicial) that depend as the “Tribunal Constitucional” of the political class that is under Rajoy’s necessities or caprices (Before Zapatero, before Aznar, before Felipe Gonzalez, the chief of the assassins.

-       Do you know that Rajoy is accused by his first man in the party to take black money

-       Under hand and don’t happen nothing, Here he is.

-       Also the legislative power is the same that government that is “elected” at the same time.

-       It lets the government to change all laws that make trouble by decree-law. You have a law one day and other helpful (for him) law next day.

Franco was a novice compared with this people (If they are people).

 

And I can be years Typing about the Spanish democracy.

 

¿Do you think that is the same that the USA democracy?

I think USA is a democracy, Spain is a multi-dictatorship. And you suffer all this all days in your pocket, dignity, freedom. Is not just a thing that happen in a far country. Is here and now, all days.

 

About the press, better don’t talk. They are the real guilty of all this disaster.

En fin

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote franciscosan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2015 at 02:05
I assume that candidates for election are selected by parties, except unlike the US presidency, there is a PM, selected by the dominant party/coalition.  There are local divisions and regional divisions(?) which are elected.  Whether people from other factions of society, can get into the government is another thing.  Then again, in American politics you have to play the game of being either a democrat or a republic.  You can be a libertarian, but in the big tent, you're probably a republican.  You can be a socialist, but in the big tent, if you play at politics, you are probably a democrat.  This dualism is one sign of a system of propaganda, just as much as a single party system is a system of propaganda.
Multi-party systems are not so much the tool of systems of propaganda.  And my guess is that Spain has a multi-party system.  Of course, Corruption will still occur in a multi-party system,
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The problem is what kind of parties you are talking about. In USA the system is democratic and in Spain is oligarchical. It means that the corruption is the key of system. That is as in USA the lobbies were the government and not the president, that should be just a servant of those lobbies or minorities like the Spanish electrical multinationals that also  write the laws. Really in Spain there is only one party, is not a multiparty system. This party is the social democrat.

Like in near all Europe is social-democrat.

 

The parties are not important in the American system, the important is the person that you vote personally by district. All those persons depent of their  voters not of the chief of the party.

There you have to fulfill your electoral promises or go out.

 

Here all depend of post-electoral pacts between the parties, even if you have the vast majority. This way there are parties that under the proportional election system have much more votes that be appropriate by the number of votes.

This way the small nationalist parties are breaking the unity of Spain. They  control the politics

Of government trough that  pacts that never come to light, because never the discussions are in the TV or parliament (that is not a parliament, is another place to place friends, parents, cousins, etc.. and there is 20 parliaments in Spain that is not as big and rich that California, by example and is not a federal  country cause the nation was born of a dynastic union of medieval states: Aragón and Castilla . Not as a free union between modern states as USA. Here there are not states, but some autonomous territories have more power that Madrid. And some of then as Navarra don’t pay anything to the state (Madrid).

 

Nowadays Spain is “una casa de putas” (a house of whore). Thanks to Franco, The European Community and the social-democratic dictatorship.

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