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Isn't the Blue Whale Amazing??

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    Posted: 23 Jun 2010 at 01:34

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/content/kingdom-of-the-blue-whale-3302/blue-whale-facts/#/compare/length


Listen to the sounds under communication, really special.




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Blue Whales-a few of them-have returned to the British Columbia coast this past decade.

I've yet to see one live but a restored skeleton was recently installed in a museum nearby

I have yet to see that either-Thanks for the timely reminder.
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In the Natural history of Gothenburg in western Sweden we have a 16 m long subadult blue whale. Long time ago its skin was nailed onto a hollow frame of wood, reminiscent of a boat. Sometimes people have even dined inside this reconstructed whale.
 
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Clapthanks for sharing/
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Blue whales are a common sight in my country, Chile. Here, the Song of the Whales, a song that the extinct Onas of the Land of Fire sung to the whales to attract them. Song by Argentinean Mapuche singer Beatriz Pichimalen.

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I heard that the meat is good. I hope we are lucky to have this happen at one of out beaches:
 
 
However I would do that the second the whale dies and start collecting.
 
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Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

I heard that the meat is good. I hope we are lucky to have this happen at one of out beaches:
 
 
However I would do that the second the whale dies and start collecting.
 
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Don't be a flame warrior Al Jassas. Start a thread about whale meat if you want to.
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Indeed. The idea is to protect the whales. The savage custom to kill them for meat must stop.




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They are magnificent, it is a shame that there are so few of them left.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:



Indeed. The idea is to protect the whales. The savage custom to kill them for meat must stop.



That flecking Sea Shepherd again??


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According the Carl Sagan, whales had the capacity to communicate with other whales on the other side of the planet* before the advent of the great metal ships and the nautical inteference they created. A truly wondrous animal and I would have to wonder about the mental state of any individual or society that would wish to kill them in exchange for a momentary indulgance of the stomach.

EDIT: PLANET not PLENTY. Jeez...


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I would much rather eat pigs! Um, Um, Um, Obama good!
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Originally posted by opuslola opuslola wrote:

I would much rather eat pigs! Um, Um, Um, Obama good!


That's not Kosher.
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Hey, just like Whale, and Alligator, and Snake, etc., it all tastes like chicken!
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Originally posted by opuslola opuslola wrote:

Hey, just like Whale, and Alligator, and Snake, etc., it all tastes like chicken!

Whales don't taste chicken, they are more like sea cows. The blues are endangered though.

Quote A truly wondrous animal and I would have to wonder about the mental state of any individual or society that would wish to kill them in exchange for a momentary indulgance of the stomach.

Pics, cows, ducks, sheep - they are all wondrous in their own ways. Eating one while condemning someone else for eating the other is nothing but hypocrisy. 


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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

 

Pics, cows, ducks, sheep - they are all wondrous in their own ways. Eating one while condemning someone else for eating the other is nothing but hypocrisy. 

None of the above is endangered. Pigs, cows and sheep, and possibly ducks have also been purposefully selected for desirable traits over many generations, making them wondrous in a different but not altogether compatible way to whales.

I think it's lunacy to place a 100% wild creature with no natural predators (at least until humans developed technology, which makes a 'natural' predator status dubious) in the same category as a domesticated, selectively bred farm animal. The moral question of eating meat at all can be isolated from the above distinctions.

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I still specially source soap made from whale blubber.  Nothing in the open market quite beats it.
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

I still specially source soap made from whale blubber.  Nothing in the open market quite beats it.

So that Peruvian peasant soap wasn't worth the risk then?


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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

 

None of the above is endangered. Pigs, cows and sheep, and possibly ducks have also been purposefully selected for desirable traits over many generations, making them wondrous in a different but not altogether compatible way to whales.

I think it's lunacy to place a 100% wild creature with no natural predators (at least until humans developed technology, which makes a 'natural' predator status dubious) in the same category as a domesticated, selectively bred farm animal. The moral question of eating meat at all can be isolated from the above distinctions.


The whales the Norwegians and Icelanders hunt aren't endangered either, which is the whole point. Comparing those whales with bluewhales is like comparing bisons with Bos primigenius. If, in your opinion, an animal looses "soul"  or wondrousness by domestication, well, let's make the comparison with other hunted animals, such as moose, deer or mufflon.


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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

 

The whales the Norwegians and Icelanders hunt aren't endangered either, which is the whole point. Comparing those whales with bluewhales is like comparing bisons with Bos primigenius. If, in your opinion, an animal looses "soul"  or wondrousness by domestication, well, let's make the comparison with other hunted animals, such as moose, deer or mufflon.


Well, Parnell commented on Blue Whales, you replied stating that singling out one species as sacred and eating another is hypocrisy. I merely continued the train of thought by discussing the endangered nature of blue whales. That Norwegians and Icelanders hunt non-endangered whales thus cannot be the 'point' of this discussion.

I stated clearly that the wondrousness of a domesticated animal is different to that of a truly wild creature, not that a domesticated animal forfeits this ethereal quality by its nature. There is a much broader moral question as to whether it is justifiable to eat animals at all, but my point was that the differences between an endangered animal (ie. a blue whale) and a domesticated mass-produced animal must be accounted for in the specific (i.e. that the reality is we eat meat and probably will do for some time). Even when controlling for endangered status, wild vs. farmed is a valid distinction as well. It is much harder to control a whale population than a population of sheep, and even a population of moose or deer, for that matter.

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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

 

The whales the Norwegians and Icelanders hunt aren't endangered either, which is the whole point. Comparing those whales with bluewhales is like comparing bisons with Bos primigenius. If, in your opinion, an animal looses "soul"  or wondrousness by domestication, well, let's make the comparison with other hunted animals, such as moose, deer or mufflon.


Well, Parnell commented on Blue Whales, you replied stating that singling out one species as sacred and eating another is hypocrisy. I merely continued the train of thought by discussing the endangered nature of blue whales. That Norwegians and Icelanders hunt non-endangered whales thus cannot be the 'point' of this discussion.


My bad then, I was under the impression he was talking about whales in general.
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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

I still specially source soap made from whale blubber.  Nothing in the open market quite beats it.

So that Peruvian peasant soap wasn't worth the risk then?




How vile, it wasn't so much the risk as when I found out what it was after sending it to my QA lab.
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Sty,

Re-reading his post, it's pretty ambiguous to be fair. Sill old Parnell vacillating between the singular and plural Smile

Regardless of whether he was speaking in the general or specific, I still maintain than whale hunting, much like commercial fishing, is a little bit too haphazard when compared to farmed animals to be justified in its current form, even if the creatures themselves are not specifically endangered. So we can still respectfully disagree on that :)
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I was referring to Whales in the general. In fact I have a huge problem with this ceaseless quest to empty the sea's of wild fish. It is such a terrible waste; either farm the fish in controlled environments or don't bother at all. We've only so many reserves left in the wild, and there is a reason why Cod and Hake fetch such high prices on the marketplace.
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I agree with that. We are destroying the fauna of the seas! I consider very irresponsable to eat whales when people already knows many of those species are in danger of extinction. The problem is that whales live mostly in international waters. Otherwise, those whaling ships would be sunk by ours navies as a routine.

I bet in this century we will start to endanger not only sea mammals but wild fishes. I wounder why savage capitalism can't be tammed!

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Well, I am most ashamed that I tried to make a joke about it, because I really wonder just how long many species have left to roam the world in general. The Blue Whale is an exceptional creature, and its immense size is a wonder to behold.

I am all for the control of over fishing, and whaleing, etc.! If man was created to be the "master" over the animals, etc., then he should as well become the steward of them.

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