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    Posted: 23 Nov 2014 at 01:57
Some find it important to leave something for the future, though some may not agree and I tend to lean to the first group.
Since there are many different monuments in different parts of the planet, reminding us and informing us about peoples many centuries and often millenia ago I will here ask where to find the most significant ones that will most likely persist for a lot of generations, and will also be sources of information and knowledge as well as possibly admiration(?) for those generations that may come adfter us.
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I believe our monuments won't be in infrastructure but rather in media. I mean, our monuments would be our books, our music and our movies, some of which will be inmortal.
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Define monument.  Monument is an undertaking which is a function of civilization.  The implementation of civilization with its cultural core creates monuments which testify to its strength and creativity.  A civilization's strong economics could easily afford massive structures to be built by the surplus labor alone.  These things are so massive that in future times nobody even thinks of tearing them down.  They become "ruins" which is just another way of saying an old monument testifying to civilization's greatness.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

I believe our monuments won't be in infrastructure but rather in media. I mean, our monuments would be our books, our music and our movies, some of which will be immortal.


Sorry mate, can't agree with you on this. Of course the media will in some way pass on memories of people or events, but for lasting monuments, I believe that they will be structural.

Some places around the world have buried Time Capsules containing articles from the 20th Century, and if located in hundreds of years time, they could called monuments.

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noun: monument · plural noun: monuments

1.a statue, building, or other structure erected to commemorate a notable person or event.

"a simple stone monument marked the nearby crash site"

synonyms: memorial · statue · pillar · column · obelisk · cross · cairn ·


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2.a statue or other structure placed over a grave in memory of the dead.

"a handsome monument of granite is placed over the grave"

synonyms: gravestone · headstone · tombstone



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I believe the pyamids were a time capsule.
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Originally posted by literaryClarity literaryClarity wrote:

I believe the pyamids were a time capsule.
Then "time capsule" in an odd way!
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

I believe our monuments won't be in infrastructure but rather in media. I mean, our monuments would be our books, our music and our movies, some of which will be inmortal.
I have heard a significant part of the 20.th century books, recorded music and movies may soon be gone, if it is not already. And usually monuments are not only "junk information". Not that all music, books, films or even what is on the internet (!) is. Then we should not forget all those other things (media) needs an "interpretator". A movie needs an apparatus before You can see it, communication on the internet even more, and books? At least a human being able to read and understand the language of the book.
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Time capsules have official purpose.  They usually put very VIP stuff into them and the leaders of the city plants it near the city hall.  The pyramids were something like that.  Instead of a city hall they had pyramids and they entire necropolis (ciy of the dead) would be to bury things that they felt ought to be remembered, kings, queens, architects, generals, and people in high places.  Structurally they are also monumental but I don't think they were designed for people to visit on a vacation and enjoy themselves.  Metaphorically they are monumental time capsules.  They encapsulate a brief period in time when there was Egyptian greatness.
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Originally posted by literaryClarity literaryClarity wrote:

Time capsules have official purpose.  They usually put very VIP stuff into them and the leaders of the city plants it near the city hall.  The pyramids were something like that.  Instead of a city hall they had pyramids and they entire necropolis (ciy of the dead) would be to bury things that they felt ought to be remembered, kings, queens, architects, generals, and people in high places.  Structurally they are also monumental but I don't think they were designed for people to visit on a vacation and enjoy themselves.  Metaphorically they are monumental time capsules.  They encapsulate a brief period in time when there was Egyptian greatness.
A not so brief period, at least if we look at the faraos of some millenia.
And the purpose of Pyramids went longer than simply "remebering", like in modern memorials for the fallen. They were also intented to be means to make at least the kings litteraly bimmortal.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

I believe our monuments won't be in infrastructure but rather in media. I mean, our monuments would be our books, our music and our movies, some of which will be inmortal.

Immortal? Sadly it won't be. Modern media is very ephemeral and much of it won't survive the power being turned off. Paper is very bio-degradable, and a recent television documentary notes that our modern society would effectively vanish after two hundred years of abandonment.

I also note a recent news item about a projected mission to the Moon in which time capsules from the public will be secreted. Apparently the scientists reckon that human hair can survive for a billion years. vanity? Inheritance? Who knows. It's a fair bet the golden LP bolted onto the Voyager spacecraft, one of which officially left the Solar System last year, won't get many plays.


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Originally posted by literaryClarity literaryClarity wrote:

Time capsules have official purpose.  They usually put very VIP stuff into them and the leaders of the city plants it near the city hall.  The pyramids were something like that.  Instead of a city hall they had pyramids and they entire necropolis (ciy of the dead) would be to bury things that they felt ought to be remembered, kings, queens, architects, generals, and people in high places.  Structurally they are also monumental but I don't think they were designed for people to visit on a vacation and enjoy themselves.  Metaphorically they are monumental time capsules.  They encapsulate a brief period in time when there was Egyptian greatness.



I think you could be right.Whether intended or not, the contents of various pyramids and other great and ancient tombs have shed new light on how people lived in past millennia.
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There is a massive monument now being completed over the remains of a nuclear reactor in Chernobyl, Ukraine- quite an impressive structure from the pictures I've seen. This is a monument of sorts, although not one that reflects on human intelligence or ability. Predictably, it will be one that is still viewed centuries from now, either in its present form, our a renewed one, for those future inhabitants to see.

We are leaving other artifacts for the universe to see. "I Love Lucy" television shows from the 1950s are now speeding away from their origins at the speed of light; their electromagnetic emissions now about 60 light years away from planet earth. If intercepted by an alien intelligence, will such beings understand  Lucy's slapstick Humour? Or in Ricky's role as straight man? Probably not, I struggled with that myself.

At the calm center of circulatory ocean currents within the Pacific, Atlantic, and Indian oceans, there exists a churning gyre of plastic bits and bobs, the leftovers of modern consumerism, now ground down to its smallest likely particles, small by our standards, but still significant in the biosphere. Just the right size, it seems, for equivalent sized fish to take a bit at, thinking this is some tasty morsel for them. The effect on them of course is the same as us deciding to eat our Christmas present wrappings, and also the artificial tree for good measure. Goodbye fish.

On the upside, we do have a statue in honour of my old gov', Captain Cook, within my home town. The seagulls have had their way with him over the years, but his essential message still emanates from his bronzed face. His was a time of transition, from militaristic self-interest, to enlightened scientific interest; from fear and defensiveness to bold inquiry and exploration; from tired dogma to revolutionary insights. I walk past this statue often, and I'm not sure I like the cut of his pants just under the knee, but I do like the cut of his jib in general.


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Well, unless some other unmentionable nation with a space program, in moments of insane anger, decide to do so and go destroy the relics of the manned moon missions from 69' to early 70's then perhaps this would be a fitting monument of man's achievement to reach for our dreams?
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Well, unless some other unmentionable nation with a space program, in moments of insane anger, decide to do so and go destroy the relics of the manned moon missions from 69' to early 70's then perhaps this would be a fitting monument of man's achievement to reach for our dreams?
Well, with one reservation: Monuments are for someone to watch or admire I think. So, if the relics exists for millions and millions of years, we may ask how many will see them, and what they may conclude?
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