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Leader of German forces against France, 1940?

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    Posted: 12 Sep 2009 at 08:32
Okay, this is just bothering me. I'm looking into which commander is most in charge of leading German forces against France in 1940. Basically, who is responsible for executing the Manstein Plan?
 
For France, it was simply Gamelin as he was CinC. So should Hitler technically be credited with leading Germany against France? Maybe the OKW or OKH Chief of Staff?
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If I remember correctly, Guderian was the man on the ground.

The fact that Hitler was the Furher is meaningless, if you credit him with leading Germany against France, you must also credit him with leading Germany against the Soviet Union.
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Originally posted by Chookie Chookie wrote:

If I remember correctly, Guderian was the man on the ground.

The fact that Hitler was the Furher is meaningless, if you credit him with leading Germany against France, you must also credit him with leading Germany against the Soviet Union.
 
At the time, Guderian was a corps commander - panzer formation - so he was far down the line.  The center army group in the west was commanded by Gerd von Runstedt, and this was the army group that broke through in the Ardennes.  At this early time, Hitler was not so full of himself as later when he became convinced that he was the strategic genius.
 
The commanding general of the army was von Brauchitsch; von Runstedt commanding the largest army group, but I cannot identify an overall commander in the west in 1940.
 
 
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I think Von Manstein was in there too I just remember hearing his name on History channe or something. I think it was either von Runsted, Manstein or Rommel who led the offensive throught the Ardennes. Subsequently they flanked the Maginot Line adding anoter example why walls don't work (Great China Wall, and that Wall on the Mexican border.
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Originally posted by Sun Tzu Sun Tzu wrote:

I think Von Manstein was in there too I just remember hearing his name on History channe or something. I think it was either von Runsted, Manstein or Rommel who led the offensive throught the Ardennes. Subsequently they flanked the Maginot Line adding anoter example why walls don't work (Great China Wall, and that Wall on the Mexican border.
 
Rommel was a division commander at that time; von Manstein was on the Generalstab, and is associated with the plan to break through the Ardennes.
 
Von Runstedt may have had effective overall command in the 1940 campaign.
 
 
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The overall commander and the guy given credit for victory (check Time magazine cover from August or Sept. 1940) was Walther von Brauchitsch. Manstein was a staff general while Gudarian was a field commander.
 
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oh ok yea I knew Manstein was somewhere in there just not the head honcho,which one of them was the first to decide to lead an offensive through the Ardennes?
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Von Manstein planned the attack across the Ardennes using armour and then to form a deep wedge between Army group 1 and 3 while splitting the weak army group 2 (all french) and at the same time drawing army group 1 into Belgium and the Netherlands. The wedge would then move toward Amiens. What actually happened is that Guderian raced to the sea which totally cutoff the French armies to the north. Here is a detailed explanation:
 
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oh cool thank you
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