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I find Teddy Roosevelt to be one of the most fascinating presidents of all time. He led the Rough Riders, dismantled monopolies as a trust buster, and spearheaded the building of the Panama Canal. I can't learn enough about this guy.

I found an article that highlights 18 little-known facts about Teddy: 18 Things You Didn't Know About Teddy Roosevelt

But I'm sure this article is missing interesting facts not covered in the history books. Can any of you guys share something noteworthy about T.R. that even history buffs might not know? If you know an interesting if little known fact about any of the other presidents, feel free to share those as well.
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Well, it covers all the ones that i am familiar with. 
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I recently learned that he wanted "In God We Trust" removed from the gold coin. Tragically, his mother and wife died on the same day.
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Yes, a truly great American. Too bad about that Medal of Honor, though. T.R. was just as great an American without it. He pushed for it to be awarded to him throughout his life, but the Army did not agree. Their judgment should have been respected. They likewise disagreed with Douglas MacArthur's self-recommendation (though he always denied that) for his small part as an Army staff officer on temporary duty in Veracruz in 1914. 

T.R. certainly had more claim to the Novel Peace Prize, which has likewise been cheapened over time, as shown by the last few years awardees. But it is also fair to point out that his success in negotiating an end to the war was assisted by an gentlemen's agreement that the U.S. would not interfere with Japanese interests in Korea if Japan respected U.S. interests in the Philippines.

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I think US needs a president like him to give a new direction to Americans, a new progressive party with an anti-consumerism (pure consumerism with borrowed money) motto!
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I read the man's biography and the only word that stands out is 'great'.

It's rare individuals like that who establish empires and build legacies. Reading their life stories is an exercise in humility.
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Surprisingly missing from the article is any reference to his role in building up the US Navy.

Incidentally one of the most fascinating women to have lived  in the White House was his daughter Alice Roosevelt Longworth: worth looking up.
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Surprisingly missing from the article is any reference to his role in building up the US Navy.

 
 
Indeed that is true. He was the first American president who saw an international role for the US as a great power beyond the western hemisphere.
 
I remember reading about a British admiral who visited the US before the first world war and predicted that the RN's policy about its size was unsustainable with the US expansion.
 
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Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

 
I remember reading about a British admiral who visited the US before the first world war and predicted that the RN's policy about its size was unsustainable with the US expansion.
 
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That sounds like Admiral John Fisher, 1st baron Fisher of Kilverstone.
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Al Jass:  in re your: "Indeed that is true. He was the first American president who saw an international role for the US as a great power beyond the western hemisphere."

I'm not so sure he was the first, as much as the first to assume office at a time when the U.S. could begin to assume such a role.  The U.S. was interested in the China trade as far back as 1786, when Robert Morris's "Empress of China" sailed from Philadelphia to trade Ginseng and other American products for tea, silks, and other Chinese items. And the U.S. Navy had a long presence in Asia, albeit small compared to the European powers. I believe that the U.S. Navy's interest in Asia dates to at least the settlement of the Oregon territory and then the Mexican War, when the acquisition of California forced us to consider a fleet capable of operating in Asian waters. 

Roosevelt's presidency was subsequent to Mahan's publication of his work on sea power and the development of nations.
 
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US marines were on the 'shores of Tripoli', if not yet singing it, under Jefferson, but Lirelou is right that TR as the first President in a position to actually make the US an international sea power, if not the first to want to. 
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Teddy Fascinating? An imperialist and barbarian? Give me a break. At least, Latino microbes made a good job getting rid of him.


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Imperialism: the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies.

There are plenty of world leaders that are imperialists often doing good for their respective nations and hated by nations affected. Stop looking at the man through a toilet paper role. Imperialism is not a Western, Southern, Northern, or Eastern phenomenon and is just one of the many features, often unfortunate features of humanity.

Atahualpa was an imperialist

Julius Caesar was an imperialist

Cecil Rhodes was an imperialist

Hideki Tojo was an imperialist

Stalin was an imperialist

Ramses II was an imperialist

Teddy Roosevelt was an imperialist

Hitler was an imperialist

Genghis Khan was an imperialist

There are many interesting and fascinating things about all these people if you look at them in a neutral sense.

do I really need to continue? do you see my point? put the nationalist agenda aside and look at it from a broader perspective.

I challenge you.

oh and yes I am going to go on a hunch and respond to the criticism that will most likely be thrown at my avatar(SPQR)

my response: I like history simple as that, I like Ancient and Imperial Rome.





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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Surprisingly missing from the article is any reference to his role in building up the US Navy.

Incidentally one of the most fascinating women to have lived  in the White House was his daughter Alice Roosevelt Longworth: worth looking up.
Indeed, Teddy was appointed Assistant Secretary of the Navy and thus helped the U.S. become a naval superpower. 
 
Has anyone read "The Naval War of 1812"? 
 
 
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Originally posted by SPQR SPQR wrote:



Atahualpa was an imperialist

Julius Caesar was an imperialist

Cecil Rhodes was an imperialist

Hideki Tojo was an imperialist

Stalin was an imperialist

Ramses II was an imperialist

Teddy Roosevelt was an imperialist

Hitler was an imperialist

Genghis Khan was an imperialist

There are many interesting and fascinating things about all these people ...


Sure. Psychopaths, criminals and genocides are fascinating.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by SPQR SPQR wrote:



Atahualpa was an imperialist

Julius Caesar was an imperialist

Cecil Rhodes was an imperialist

Hideki Tojo was an imperialist

Stalin was an imperialist

Ramses II was an imperialist

Teddy Roosevelt was an imperialist

Hitler was an imperialist

Genghis Khan was an imperialist

There are many interesting and fascinating things about all these people ...


Sure. Psychopaths, criminals and genocides are fascinating.

Too glib Mr P. Roosevelt was a man of his time, as we all are, and hence influenced by the state of contemporary knowledge and the prevailing attitudes and values of the time. If you think we are well set today, what do you think future generations may think about animal experimentation for example, or perhaps the current levels of crime and violence that seem so hard to rectify in Latin America?



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Sure. Hitler was also a man of his time... 

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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Sure. Hitler was also a man of his time... 

 
Actually he wasn't, in the sense that he had a worldview different from the mainstream beliefs at the time, so much so that most of the world went to war with him, and even some of his own generals tried to kill him.
 
Loath as some may be to admit it, many, perhaps the majority, tend to buy into existing belief systems of the time with little dispute.
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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Sure. Hitler was also a man of his time... 

 
Actually he wasn't, in the sense that he had a worldview different from the mainstream beliefs at the time, so much so that most of the world went to war with him, and even some of his own generals tried to kill him.
 
Loath as some may be to admit it, many, perhaps the majority, tend to buy into existing belief systems of the time with little dispute.


Racial purity, imperialism, nationalism, totalitarianism, ideologue...

Hitler was most definitely a man of his time. And we have largely avoided making more men like him becase we recognise that the above notions will breed a man like Hitler when anyone with his immense intelligence, emotional estrangement, nervous energy and fervour comes along. And with that recognition, we try to avoid these ideas which were so popular in the world little Adolph grew up in.
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The whole point about Hitler is that he was a man out of his time, trying to recreate the past. As indeed were both the last Kaiser and the last Tsar. 
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I recently saw a documentary on FDR. It turns out that FDR's idol was none other than his esteemed cousin Teddy. Like Theodore, Franklin D. Roosevelt served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy and Governor of New York. In addition, both men dropped out of Columbia Law School.
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FDR's and TR's administrations certainly had more in common than either has with recent Republican ones.
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I just learned two Teddy-related facts not mentioned in the article:

1. He was the first president to fly in an airplane.

2. He was the first president to travel abroad while in office.
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

FDR's and TR's administrations certainly had more in common than either has with recent Republican ones.
 
Even when TR was with the Republican Party, many called him a Democrat given his hankering for reform.
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I also learned today that he was the first president to be submerged in a submarine.
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Teddy was also a stout conservationist; creating as many as five national parks and protected land marks, such as the grand canyons as national monuments (105 total areas in all) many of them would be converted into national parks in later years, Grand Canyon included.   
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Teddy Roosevelt is interesting for me because I think he could broadly define a strong radical third way (not in the Tony Blair or Clinton sense). Being a true progressive capitalist he also tried to create sustainability while at the same time seeing the spreading of his nation's ideals as his own ideal.
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Originally posted by kilroy kilroy wrote:

Teddy was also a stout conservationist; creating as many as five national parks and protected land marks, such as the grand canyons as national monuments (105 total areas in all) many of them would be converted into national parks in later years, Grand Canyon included.   
 
Yup, he was big on conservation/the environment. Anyone else know any Teddy factoids?
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Originally posted by fusong fusong wrote:

Teddy Roosevelt is interesting for me because I think he could broadly define a strong radical third way (not in the Tony Blair or Clinton sense). Being a true progressive capitalist he also tried to create sustainability while at the same time seeing the spreading of his nation's ideals as his own ideal.
 
"Progressive Republican" almost sounds like an oymoron, and yet Teddy was just that.
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I read today that, for protection, Teddy carried a gun with him at all times. Can anyone corroborate this?
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