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    Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 03:16
It seems amazing that artifacts from 170 years ago are still kicking around, in near original form, and waiting to embellish the historical record. Even more curious to think what the participants at the time would  have imagined at the though of their ship found and explored beneath the arctic ice, a century and a half after their demise.

One of the two ships of the 1845 Franklin expedition to find the north west passage has been found in shallow water in the Canadian arctic. This was a very high profile event at the time, and Franklin's widow spared no expense to urge multiple rescue missions, all of which of course came back empty handed. During their journeys though, they helped to map the arctic.

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lost-franklin-expedition-ship-found-in-the-arctic-1.2760311
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Hate to be pedantic again old mate, but you can't have a

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Caldrail

Hate to be pedantic again old mate, but you can't have a

Lostjourney.

Lost ship. Now Found. Questions answered.

Lost in the sense of failing to find the north west passage, the holy grail of exploration in that part of the world for centuries, and failing to enjoy the resultant fame and exultation that would flow from this.

It was also a bit of a loss of face for British seafarers, then considered masters of the waves,who had equipped what was considered at the time a modern and high tech expedition, and it was not expected to be lost just due to some rough conditions. 
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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:


Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Caldrail

Hate to be pedantic again old mate, but you can't have a

Lostjourney.

Lost ship. Now Found. Questions answered.


Lost in the sense of failing to find the north west passage, the holy grail of exploration in that part of the world for centuries, and failing to enjoy the resultant fame and exultation that would flow from this.

It was also a bit of a loss of face for British seafarers, then considered masters of the waves,who had equipped what was considered at the time a modern and high tech expedition, and it was not expected to be lost just due to some rough conditions. 


"Lost Expedition" perhaps?
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Caldrail: How would you feel about about opening up this post to include other ill fated expeditions?

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:


Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Caldrail

Hate to be pedantic again old mate, but you can't have a

Lostjourney.

Lost ship. Now Found. Questions answered.


Lost in the sense of failing to find the north west passage, the holy grail of exploration in that part of the world for centuries, and failing to enjoy the resultant fame and exultation that would flow from this.

It was also a bit of a loss of face for British seafarers, then considered masters of the waves,who had equipped what was considered at the time a modern and high tech expedition, and it was not expected to be lost just due to some rough conditions. 


"Lost Expedition" perhaps?

I must confess toyomotor, that when you alluded to a career in policing, I had an image of a man in a natty blue uniform, on the streets of perhaps Sydney or Melbourne, enforcing civil and criminal laws. The idea of policing the English language hadn't occurred to me. But never  mind. Your captain's language skills can sometimes describe a declining line on a graph in relation to the hour of the night, and number of brandies consumed. Be this what it may, I still claim poetic license, as a fallback position, one validated by the few remaining strands of Irish DNA in my aging body.
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Sorry, but i am a little confused. have i missed something or has Captain Vancouver acquired the ability to transform into Caldrail and back at will?
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Yes. The Franklin expedition has always fascinated me once i had learned that they exhumed a couple of bodies from that expedition several decades ago. What a freakish way to be introduced to a subject.
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Sorry, but i am a little confused. have i missed something or has Captain Vancouver acquired the ability to transform into Caldrail and back at will?

I have transformed into this and that in the past, but at times have had to strenuously back peddle, due to badly mistaken calculations.

Caldrail is quite welcome to respond however. I'll take a seat.
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That's one of the things I like about this forum, the ability to have a joke every now and then.
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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:


Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Sorry, but i am a little confused. have i missed something or has Captain Vancouver acquired the ability to transform into Caldrail and back at will?


I have transformed into this and that in the past, but at times have had to strenuously back peddle, due to badly mistaken calculations.

Caldrail is quite welcome to respond however. I'll take a seat.


Far better to back peddle than remain staunchly wrong.

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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:


Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:


Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Caldrail

Hate to be pedantic again old mate, but you can't have a

Lostjourney.

Lost ship. Now Found. Questions answered.


Lost in the sense of failing to find the north west passage, the holy grail of exploration in that part of the world for centuries, and failing to enjoy the resultant fame and exultation that would flow from this.

It was also a bit of a loss of face for British seafarers, then considered masters of the waves,who had equipped what was considered at the time a modern and high tech expedition, and it was not expected to be lost just due to some rough conditions. 


"Lost Expedition" perhaps?


I must confess toyomotor, that when you alluded to a career in policing, I had an image of a man in a natty blue uniform, on the streets of perhaps Sydney or Melbourne, enforcing civil and criminal laws.


Why would you think Sydney or Melbourne? I've lived in Tasmania all of my life, although I was born in Victoria.

I was a member of Tasmania Police for 31 Years.
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Now, now gentlemen. Let's get back to topic.

 





These men were on the recently found ships! A fascinating connection. Wouldn't you gentlemen agree?


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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Now, now gentlemen. Let's get back to topic.

 





These men were on the recently found ships! A fascinating connection. Wouldn't you gentlemen agree?



The fellow on the top looks a bit like my grade 8 French teacher. Which may explain why I have remained unilingual during my life.

One must admit though, that the arctic has a way of preserving things. There are other remnants about, and some suggest that they indicate the Franklin crew launched themselves on a desperate trek southwards, after giving up on their ships, and hoped to reach some Hudson's Bay trading post, or other outpost of civilization, before succumbing to starvation or exposure. 

They did meet up with some Inuit groups, according to local lore, but their own existence at the outer envelope of survival may have prevented them from offering much help. Or perhaps there was friction between the groups, and this led to detachment and further southward trek, without aid.

There was also speculation around the then new and high tech process of canning food. Not a bad idea, but in those days they used lead to seal the cans. Could increasing mental impairment from lead poisoning have had an effect on decision making, and ultimate survival?
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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:



There was also speculation around the then new and high tech process of canning food. Not a bad idea, but in those days they used lead to seal the cans. Could increasing mental impairment from lead poisoning have had an effect on decision making, and ultimate survival?


Indeed. I believe that is why the exhumations had taken place, to conduct some test to prove this theory. IIRC, there were very high levels of lead found in them.
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