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    Posted: 14 Mar 2011 at 01:26
Is there any Science Fiction enthusiastic in here? If so, a full history of science fiction is shown in a drawing on the following link.

Only two important personalities and works I think are missing:

(1) The Anacronopete, by Enrique Gaspar, Spaniard, (1887) Which was the first novel ever to despict a TIME MACHINE, a decade before Wells.

(2) Don Juan, by Tirso de Molina, which is a classic Spanish play where a statue walks impulsed by an spirit Confused

Besides that objection, understandable given the author of the map is anglosaxon, the map is pretty good. It even includes the development of French science fiction, with started before the anglosaxon.

Hurry up to copy it. It may dissapear from the web!

http://www.microsiervos.com/archivo/mundoreal/mapa-ciencia-ficcion-ward-shelley.html


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What is science fiction other than fantasy given a technological setting?
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And what on earth is Sanders of the River doing in there? Bosambo is now an alien?
 
It's too difficult to really study it properly, mainly ecause it is s large.
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I did try to study it properly, and I seem to have noticed a very famous Sci-fi movie that was not, at least in my view, mentioned!'
 
This was the movie version of the famous book; "1984!"  Both the 1956 version and the Jon Hurt version.
 
I thought that this was a very henious omission.
 
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Hey, since we are here already, just why do we not ask our Sci-fi fans to list their say, 15 top Sci-fi books and movies?
 
It might well be fun?  But, it will, of course, also be tough!
 
So, if you have to go to twenty then do so.
 
I am sure this little venture will keep out a lot of the riff-raff that usually disassemble many posts!Wink
 
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Top 15? A better idea would be to make a poll


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Then, my fine feathered amigo, "Make it so!"
 
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Who we put on the list? Put your list of top 100 first.

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It would be almost impossible for me to post a list of my favorite 100 Sci-fi books!
 
I could possibly post a list of my 15 or 20 favorites, however!
 
And, as regards Sci-fi movies, I could post a list of my favorite 15 movies!
 
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

What is science fiction other than fantasy given a technological setting?
 
Perhaps one can say that the foundation of fantasy is a magic mythologic view of the world while SF is based on a scientific world view (with many exceptions and cross overs ofcourse).
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By the way, where is Peter F. Hamilton in the map above? I could not find him.

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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

What is science fiction other than fantasy given a technological setting?
 
Perhaps one can say that the foundation of fantasy is a magic mythologic view of the world while SF is based on a scientific world view (with many exceptions and cross overs ofcourse).
 
 I have the impression the so called science part in science fiction may very often be misunderstood "science" or even pseudoscience. I admit a little facination with the idea behind science fiction, but the little I know of novels and films is most often disappointiong. And the very term seems to contain a paradox. Are science after all not about anything but fiction?


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Yes, all sf writers are not scientists (some obviously have no clue at all about any science) so the quality of the science can indeed be varying. Also perhaps the  science part is more a matter of writing from a sort of scientific world view more than describing scientific facts or even scientific (or technological) extrapolations. There are also many cross overs where elements of fantasy are incorporated into science fiction.

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Actually science fiction had its heyday in the time of Astounding (later Analog) and Amazing magazines, and later Galaxy. In the early '50s If and the Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction came out and rather started the trend to fantasy kicked off by people like L. Ron Hubbard and boosted immensely of course by the success of Tolkien.
 
Somewhere around there Robert Heinlein rather betrayed the medium by going off on his weirdly sexual books, and ever since there has been an increasing proportion of fantasy books, especially swords and sorcery ones, so that I personally have pretty well given up on the medium, except for web surfing to get copies of old classics. The last writer I can think of who wrote reliable hard science fiction was Larry Niven.
 
But I could easily have missed some emerging talents.
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Yes, Niven was very good!  In the paper-back field, I still have approximately 1,200 of them.  Some of my most coveted, I gave to a guy who wanted to buy the collection, as a token of my good will, and have never seen him again, but that is life. 

Heinlein did rather go over the deep end at the end of his success as a writer!
 
I have a rather large number of the old ones that sold for 35 Cents, US!
 
If there is anything that you desire, please ask, and I will go and check out what I can find, since even this long after the hurricane, I am still not back into  normal operation, and the books are scattered most everywhere in my book shelves.  Pre-hurrican, I had them all in one place, and in alphabetical order, so it was easy to find something, but since, disorder rules.
 
I was also not a big fan of the fantasy world, although I did enjoy the "Riverworld" series, as I recall.
 
So, please PM me, or post here, for anything I might be able to do to help you?  In all honesty, I would rather sell the entire collection to someone who really wants them.  I have no children of my own to leave then to, and no one else around seems to want to read anything anytime, etc.!  So, it is likely that upon my death, they will just be bags of trash to be thrown out.
 
Just like me!!
 
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I could not find Isaac Asimov in the map, but I did not look long enough, I guess. Asimov was my all time favorite sf writer.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

What is science fiction other than fantasy given a technological setting?


What is fiction other than fantasy given a real life setting? Confused
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Here is a list of  my favorite Sci-Fi genre movies, in no particular order.
 
I Robot
28 Days Later
Men in Black
Jurassic Park
The Thing-1984 and 1956
Fahrenheit 451
The Blob
Journey to the Center of the Earth
On the Beach
The World, the Flesh and the Devil
The 10th Victim
The Illustrated Man
A clockwork Orange
The Omega Man
Silent Running
War of the Worlds
I am Legend (Omega man)
Iron Man
2001, a Space Odyssey
20,000 Leagues under the Sea
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Alien
Forbidden Planet
The Fifth Element
Tron
AI, (Artifical Intelligence)
Rollerball
Dune
The Time Machine (Rod Taylor)
Day of the Triffids
Westworld
ZARDOZ
Innerspace
Batteries not included
The Stepford Wives
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
Logan's Run
The Island of Dr. Moreau (Burt Lancaster)
Island of Lost Souls-1933 IE-Moreau
Altered States
Dune
The Terminator
Back to the Future
Cocoon
The Fly (1986)
Predator
The Abyss
12 Monkees
 
We will see just how much we agree.
 
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

What is science fiction other than fantasy given a technological setting?


What is fiction other than fantasy given a real life setting? Confused
The works of Milton Friedman don't have a real life setting. Ermm
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Sorry, in my haste it seems that I left out the three movies concerning "The Cube!"
 
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I'll name names instead of titles....this in and of itself says what I have enjoyed.
 
Asimov
Bova
Bradbury
Bujold
Card
Crichton
Dick
Ellison
Foster
Heinlein
Sturgeon
Verne
 
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How about;
Aldiss
Anderson
Ballard
Blish
Bester
Boorman
Boulle
Brunner
Budrys
Capek
Christopher
Clarke
Clement
Cooper
Gunn
Henderson
LeGuin
Leiber
 
I could post an entire list of my sources, but time limits me.
 
But you do show a good group!  But, Bujold is a new name for me!
 
You see after about 1980 I stopped reading from the new authors, who wrote mostly fantasy!
 
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Thanks and occassionally I've read some of yours.....but my real and first love was always Sword and Fantasy.....been reading that over 50 years....but tis another thread.
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Originally posted by Centrix Redux Centrix Redux wrote:

I'll name names instead of titles....this in and of itself says what I have enjoyed.
 
Asimov
Bova
Bradbury
Bujold
Card
Crichton
Dick
Ellison
Foster
Heinlein
Sturgeon
Verne
 


Hey, We have some prefferences in common:

Asimov
Bova
Bradbury
Crichton
Dick
Heinlein
Verne

Interesting that you like Bova.  An excellent writter that is not very well know. At least, not as much known as the superstars. I also like Crichton! But it is too bad you forgot Arthur Clarke.



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Some other very good SF writers from the "Golden Age:"

A.E. van Vogt

Robert Silverberg

Frederick Pohl

James Blish.....EDIT:  Oops, I see Ron Hughes had him down.

I had forgotten about Ben Bova.  Also, I can't think of a thing he wrote, but I will Google that this afternoon.  Smile

 


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Ben Bova wrote a novel called "Mars" and several series about the colonization of the solar system. Interesting author.
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I think that Bova was more famous for his collections, and publishing, etc.
 
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For those interested in early science fiction, read these short stories writen by a genious of the genre:

Edward Page Mitchell,

http://www.forgottenfutures.com/game/ff9/tachypmp.htm

Among others: the first infinite speed spaceship, the first invisible man, the first teleporter, an early time travel tale, androids and others.
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Pinguin,

I had never heard of Mitchell.  Thanks.  I am definitely going to look into him and his writings.

I see he was the editor of the newspaper that published his stuff.  Lucky guy.  Wink





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Well, I have noticed a glaring omission with respect to one of the grandfathers of the genre, Alduous Huxley! The rivalry between Orwell and Huxley as well as both men's disenchantment with Wells and his futurism may be partly to blame, but such is no excuse to ignore one of the greatest novels of the 20th century: Brave New World (1931). Apparently, some people believe one must have quaint rarified species in their narratives so as to constitute science-fiction! The little octopus from Slate does place Huxley there but the silence on the thread is glaring. Now as for the blather about "Anglo-Saxon" literature, please, unless you are desirous of introducing Beowulf (after all it has dragons), can such nonsense.

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