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Actually Huxley is there with Brave New World, but dfficult to locate. I found him looking for Olaf Stapledon, who it turns out is just above him.
 
I wa looking for Earth Abides, which I think was rhe first of the after-an-atomic-catastrophe-wipes- everybody-out plots, but it's not there and neither is Sirius, which is a better book than the three given IMO.
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What kind of "qualities" are we looking for? science fiction can entertain like other fiction and fantasy, but most often not more.
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Originally posted by pikeshot1600 pikeshot1600 wrote:

Pinguin,

I had never heard of Mitchell.  Thanks.  I am definitely going to look into him and his writings.

I see he was the editor of the newspaper that published his stuff.  Lucky guy.  Wink


You are welcome.

He was a quite interesting writer, that wrote about key "technologies" of science fiction, like faster than light travel, teportation, the invisible man and travel back in time, before Wells! The problem is he wrote short stories in newspapers, so he was forgotten Confused.

Another interesting writer of the time is Edward Everett Hale, who wrote "The moon brick", a very interesting description of future satelites, space stations, ceramic shields, GPS and communications, from the 19th century Confused

It is interesting how these writers follow the style of Edgard Alan Poe, in tales like "the ballon hoax" and "Hans Pfall".




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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Well, I have noticed a glaring omission with respect to one of the grandfathers of the genre, Alduous Huxley! The rivalry between Orwell and Huxley as well as both men's disenchantment with Wells and his futurism may be partly to blame, but such is no excuse to ignore one of the greatest novels of the 20th century: Brave New World (1931). Apparently, some people believe one must have quaint rarified species in their narratives so as to constitute science-fiction! The little octopus from Slate does place Huxley there but the silence on the thread is glaring. Now as for the blather about "Anglo-Saxon" literature, please, unless you are desirous of introducing Beowulf (after all it has dragons), can such nonsense.


I don't agree with your critics. Aldous Huxley is recognized as the main utopian writer of the 20th century, and his prediction of a world where humans would be manufactured like cars is something deeply integrated in the conscience of mankind.

Huxley was a teacher of Orwell, and they weren't rivals but known fellows.

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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Actually Huxley is there with Brave New World, but dfficult to locate. I found him looking for Olaf Stapledon, who it turns out is just above him.
 
I wa looking for Earth Abides, which I think was rhe first of the after-an-atomic-catastrophe-wipes- everybody-out plots, but it's not there and neither is Sirius, which is a better book than the three given IMO.


Actually, his name is in its own circle, which means (according to the semantic of the map) that Huxley was a major creator in the field.

With respect to apocaliptic science fiction, that was a common theme in the Golden Age and before. The first fully description of a nuclear war was written by Wells in 1914 in the novel The World Set Free.
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I have a copu of "Earth Abides", by George Stewart

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Abides

It is one of my old favorites.

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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Actually Huxley is there with Brave New World, but dfficult to locate. I found him looking for Olaf Stapledon, who it turns out is just above him.
 
I wa looking for Earth Abides, which I think was rhe first of the after-an-atomic-catastrophe-wipes- everybody-out plots, but it's not there and neither is Sirius, which is a better book than the three given IMO.


Actually, his name is in its own circle, which means (according to the semantic of the map) that Huxley was a major creator in the field.

With respect to apocaliptic science fiction, that was a common theme in the Golden Age and before. The first fully description of a nuclear war was written by Wells in 1914 in the novel The World Set Free.
 
But it didn't end with everybody except the protagonist dying did it? Things To Come didn't end that way either in spite of all the death and desturrction.
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The World Set Free ends with Holland destroyed by radioactivity and mankind realizing nukes are bad.

Interesting novel, from the time people was fascinated with radium.
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If I might mention, I don't think that anyone mentioned Clifford D. Simak?

Wonderful!

I also have a few Olaf Stapledon's, and a few others like Frederic and Goeffery Hoyle as well as Harry Harrison, as well as a few of our famous female writers such as Zenna Henderson, who wrote a wonderful series concerning "The People".

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Stapledon is wonderful. Particularly Starmaker. 
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"Stapledon is wonderful. Particularly Starmaker."

I really think that this subject was written as a manuscritp for YOU!

But, as sometimes exists, I could well be wrong?

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I don't get what you mean. Do you mean "Starmaker" was written for me? If so, I am glad it was written...
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Then, my finely feathered and insulated friend, read it!

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I read it already. I love that book.
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Then, it is "yours!"

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I think Science Fiction is the greatest form of fiction or writing. Not based on the story or the narration but based on the fact that it creates. Think of all the inventions and ideas that were once fantasy and now reality. Cell Phones, communication via live streaming, instant messaging etc... On Star Trek they used "Communicators" which were nothing but a Nextel flip phone.

If it can be created in Science Fiction, it will eventually be worked on in real life. Cloaking technology, warp drives, zero gravity, laser, anti matter, transporters etc.. are all things that are currently being studied and hopefully realized.
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Absolutely. I agree.
And yours example is excellent. "Star Trek" is not only a source of fun for its followers, but the source of inspiration of top ranking physicists, who are trying to figure it out if the marvels shown in that series are really possible. Perhaps one day they find out it is really possible to have teleporters, wrap engines, and all that gear, and the humanity spread thought the universe. What a superb dream.
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The links to the map from the OP no longer get you to its location. It is still on the web however, at scimaps.org.
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I differ from the views above, since i see little reason most of science fiction authors have more foresight than other authors of fairy-tales or later fantasy. OK, I admit limited knowledge, but from time to time read a bit. Usually I find out this seems to have little chance to be anything than fiction. We come up with so many ideas as humans - me too from time to time . but the proportion getting any relation to reality is an entirely different matter.
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Since I don't consider science fiction authors to be prophets, I am not disappointed when their ideas do not become realities. While some of the speculations of science fiction have been realized over the years, predicting the future is not science fiction's purpose.

Regarding the map, I was unable to find Cordwainer Smith anywhere, which I consider to be somewhat of an oversight.
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Old school science fiction is ancient history as it only interesting for a small amount of enthusiasts. Because old should die, that's law of time. A constant cycles of life and death until time itself is dead.
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Originally posted by L'Emmerdeur L'Emmerdeur wrote:

Since I don't consider science fiction authors to be prophets, I am not disappointed when their ideas do not become realities. While some of the speculations of science fiction have been realized over the years, predicting the future is not science fiction's purpose.

Regarding the map, I was unable to find Cordwainer Smith anywhere, which I consider to be somewhat of an oversight.
Some posters here seems to evaluate those speculations higher. Science Fiction was not very highly regarded during my upbringing, but out of curiosity I have read some, seen some TV/film. Little of it appears as that that fascinating I confess. Then on the other hand i sometimes get ideas that could be for that kind of litterature for myself.
 The "science" part of it is often as much as in Harry Potter or Tolkiens Middle earth I think.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

Originally posted by L'Emmerdeur L'Emmerdeur wrote:

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While some of the speculations of science fiction have been realized over the years, predicting the future is not science fiction's purpose.

 
Some posters here seems to evaluate those speculations higher. Science Fiction was not very highly regarded during my upbringing, but out of curiosity I have read some, seen some TV/film. Little of it appears as that that fascinating I confess. Then on the other hand i sometimes get ideas that could be for that kind of litterature for myself.
 The "science" part of it is often as much as in Harry Potter or Tolkiens Middle earth I think.

As can be seen by looking at the map which inspired this thread, there are several streams within the genre. Practically none of television/movie science fiction is what is known as "hard science fiction." In fact,  Depending on what you've read, you might never have encountered that particular type of SF.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Absolutely. I agree.
And yours example is excellent. "Star Trek" is not only a source of fun for its followers, but the source of inspiration of top ranking physicists, who are trying to figure it out if the marvels shown in that series are really possible.
 

What do you base this on? I've seldom encountered a group so uninterested in Science fiction as physicists. Surprisingly many of them seems very hooked on Tolienesque fantasy though.< id="_npwlo" ="applicationpwlo" height="0">
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Something that could perhaps be interesting to read is fiction were science or scientists play an important part, but there is no significant alteration relative to scientific knowledge or techology. That would not as such qualify as science fiction.
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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Absolutely. I agree.
And yours example is excellent. "Star Trek" is not only a source of fun for its followers, but the source of inspiration of top ranking physicists, who are trying to figure it out if the marvels shown in that series are really possible.
 

What do you base this on? I've seldom encountered a group so uninterested in Science fiction as physicists. Surprisingly many of them seems very hooked on Tolienesque fantasy though.< id="_npwlo" ="applicationpwlo" height="0">


Well, both Michio Kaku and Stephen Hawking are trekkies. Hawking even acted in the show. And they are just a sample of many scientists that have payed attention to the show.
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Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

Something that could perhaps be interesting to read is fiction were science or scientists play an important part, but there is no significant alteration relative to scientific knowledge or techology. That would not as such qualify as science fiction.


That's false. Many discoveries and inventions have been proceeded by science fiction. For instance, the invention of the chain reaction by Szilard was inspired by the readings of the H.G. Wells' novel "The world set free" (1915) which describes atomic bombs. And many other ideas, from laser beams, black holes and parallel dimensions, appeared in science fiction first.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

Something that could perhaps be interesting to read is fiction were science or scientists play an important part, but there is no significant alteration relative to scientific knowledge or techology. That would not as such qualify as science fiction.


That's false. Many discoveries and inventions have been proceeded by science fiction. For instance, the invention of the chain reaction by Szilard was inspired by the readings of the H.G. Wells' novel "The world set free" (1915) which describes atomic bombs. And many other ideas, from laser beams, black holes and parallel dimensions, appeared in science fiction first.


I doubt Wells was first. About 2 years ago i read in a book about technological achievements up to the time the book was written in about 1912. It expressed high expectations of the use of atomic energy, and I think military use was suggested too. I admit it is from memory, since i have no longer acces to that book.

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Wells was not first. In the novel The Crack of Doom (1895) by Robert Cromie is the earliest. Even more, the book you are talking about is from Frederick Soddy (1909) and was called The interpretation of Radium, but was a scientific essay

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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Wells was not first. In the novel The Crack of Doom (1895) by Robert Cromie is the earliest. Even more, the book you are talking about is from Frederick Soddy (1909) and was called The interpretation of Radium, but was a scientific essay

I did not read a book with a title anything like that. The one I read - at work - more popular book, for the "intereted layman". Probably not translated. Something like a shorthand History of technology.

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