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Mapuches better warrriors than Aztecs

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fintan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 18:59
Maybe they destroyed this America you love so much (I can understand this), but they erected another, and this was inevitable once they had crossed the Atlantic Ocean. The humans act this way within the normal range. This say History.
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"Las Casas was a great man. A figure that is still venerated in the Americas. Ercilla was a soldier and mediocre poet. What else?" 
Nothing, but there were more spanish like Las Casas.  I don't remember now the names, but there was a matter of Phylosophy that the spanish european state decided in favour of Indians, it had not a precedent in Human History. Maybe to apply the law were very difficult or impossible in the beginning but in the long run produce a society even better than european spanish, although very racist (the american), too busy with jews, moriscos and also in the beggining with the Inquisición. Ercilla could be mediocre but thanks to him we know, Lautaro, Galavarino, etc...


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Spaniards started the brutality from the beginning. 

Most of the time, particularly during the conquest, there wasn't any law that controlled the Spanish brutes. Remember that the genocide of the Caribbean was already over when the first laws started to work. And there weren't any laws that protected "unfriendly" indians from genocide.
 Once I saw an argentine film that try to saw the spanish conquest by the Indian point of view, very like to Apocalypto of Mel Gibbson in the deep. I don't see Indians or european I see human been in action.

Abouts laws, it is impossible to make a law against things that have not still happen.
I don't think there was a spanish concious genocide. In the beginning in the Caribe the spanish apply with Indians elites the same policy that in Spain at those times, in special marital allianzes. There were two social ranks more than two races, the rich and the poor. About the Caribbean I don't know what genocide you are talking about, must be true, but they were cannibalistic warriors, ready to dissapear, by one way or another. In the Caribean, the first America spanish discover, there was not only a genocide but very racial mixture, rich with rich under legal words, maybe the indians vanished by mixture.

Sure, there are exceptions.
The problem is that Coronado was find guilty, but never paid his atrocities, because they were conveniently forgotten. Like nowadays in Spain, the rich has other treat than the poors.


I repeat, Spanish conquerors started the fight. A people that is suffering genocide has the right to defend themselves from cowards that killed them with the use of better technology.
The Chilean state, with and elite of europoids, haven't behaved better.
 To call cowards to the castilian people is not in the true, and they were always very few. 
¿Europiods? Ja, is a kind of ape? 

I am not with the elite europoids of hispano- america, I thing they are the worst in this world. Even worse than the spanish "elites" nowadays.


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I feel sick when someone says Spaniards made something good for the Americas.
The New World was a place that deserved to be left alone, like Africa or Asia. In those other places 99% percent of peole is still natives and they have somehow modernized without the need to be replaced by genocide.
Because what the Spaniards and the rest of theirs european mates did in the Americas was the largest genocide in history. A whole world that was wiped out to make place for alliens.
And all was started by that criminal Columbus
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I only tell what I see, maybe would be better than aztec eat all the other indians, the Incas make them slaves or  araucanian leave them in ignorance but things go other way in this planet where all is made by suffering to be alive something new and much better.

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I just say that the worst the ever happened to the Americas were the arrival of the Europeans. Nothing more, and nothing less.
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Hello Pinguin.

You have appoint other continents. I think Africa have suffer vastly and will do indefinitely in hands of european and any people just a little  better organized than a tribal territorie (call nation). I mean the niger-africa. And I don't want to talk about other continents and Islands cause is not my busines if it was not spanish or portuguese.

America has been very afortunate to have resolved the problem of modernity trhought the miscegenation, in the North too, but less obvious. It have had 3+2 siecles to get our world so modern.
It is your opinion that  is very like to the one of Libertador had, that is Simón Bolivar. Who comes from a super privilegiate creole family, I mean by creole not only born in America but with some indian or negro blood or the two, but privilegiate since the beggining. And that have ALL in américa except the commerce, that was given to the spaniards, in special vasques or vizcaínos, that was synonymous of bad  man for them and nowadays. The spanish (as my uncle marriage with a mulatta in Caracas) call them "huevones". I know for him.


As you are not in my antipodas (I have it in New Zealand near Tasmania) I recommended you to read the book Don Salvador de Madariaga wrote call "Bolivar", it is very interesting and more much kind  that the opinion had Karl Marx of the Libertador. Even the one of Humbolt.
If you have any bibliography about this theme, I mean the European in America please tell me And I will be very pleased to look or read  this.  

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Originally posted by Fintan Fintan wrote:


America has been very afortunate to have resolved the problem of modernity trhought the miscegenation, in the North too, but less obvious. It have had 3+2 siecles to get our world so modern.

The price the Americas payed was the destruction of the culture and the genetic heritage as well.
The Americas was repopulated after a genocide with new peoples: whites, blacks, asians, and the mixed people that managed to survive the genocide and the germs invasion.

So. I don't think we, as a continent, has been fortunate at all.
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