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    Posted: 11 Mar 2011 at 07:33
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A whopping 8.9 Mw earthquake struck 50 miles off the coast of the northeastern part Japans biggest island of Honshu triggering a huge Tsunami. The area where the earthquake struck isn't as deep as where the 2004 Tsunami struck hopefully making the Tsunami smaller but make no mistake about it, its a strong earthquake and the Tsunami is big:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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This worries me a great deal. I'm supposed to visit a friend of mine at the Norwegian embassy in Tokyo come May, I hope things have been sorted by then or I'll just have to postpone it.
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That quake had the same intensity that the Chilean last year. 
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Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

This worries me a great deal. I'm supposed to visit a friend of mine at the Norwegian embassy in Tokyo come May, I hope things have been sorted by then or I'll just have to postpone it.

Oh you scamp you. Haha. Not. 

Grow up a little Regi, that 'me me' stuff isn't funny, and if it's not meant to be, at least keep it to yourself.




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I tried to Google some discussion of all the extremely strong seismic activity over the last year, but I really couldn't come up with anything.

Has anyone seen or been involved with anything on this?  It seems like the Pacific Rim is falling apart.


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Of course: me.
I was in the Chilean earthquake last year. I was suspended at the time so I couldn't comment. Confused...
And it seems nobody here remembered I was Chilean Wink


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Well that isn't what I meant but I get your point.

The tsunami is to reach the coast of Chile at some point on March 12.  Keep us updated will you?


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I think that the worst fear, is the Nuke Power Plant, that has not received the necessary cooling that is required.  Unless the Japanese are able to move the  necessary equipment to repower the cooling pumps, then, as we have already heard, they will have to started to relieve the pressure by releasing radioactive gasses!
 
If this plant is not relieved, then it might well enter into a general melt-down, which, some experts have proposed, lead to it literally melting itself into the ground.  If so, then it will continue to emit very strong and dangerous radiation into the atmosphere, etc.!
 
But, since Japan sits right upon the "Ring of Fire", then what is to stop this radioactive furnace from burning itself right down into the pressure zone of the magma that Japan rests upon?
 
If indeed such a situation occurs, then just what would be the result?
 
Would all of this very hot, and plasmatic material ultimately be ejected into the atmosphere by the eruption of the magma underneath it?
 
Just some questions.  Perhaps some of you, who have some expertise, can respond?
 
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Here are some great vids;
 
 
Since I lived near the coast line during Hurricane Katrina, I can suggest our water came into my neighborhood in about the same manner!
 
I will suffer with our Japanese friends!
 
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Oh! I was here and watched it with my own eyes!  It is earily similar!


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Poor Japan. My sympathy for our brothers in this kind of disaster: the Japanese people.
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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

This worries me a great deal. I'm supposed to visit a friend of mine at the Norwegian embassy in Tokyo come May, I hope things have been sorted by then or I'll just have to postpone it.

Oh you scamp you. Haha. Not. 

Grow up a little Regi, that 'me me' stuff isn't funny, and if it's not meant to be, at least keep it to yourself.

What part of that could you possibly construe as funny? I've been planning this trip for months and now I'm worried it'll be postponed even more, and god knows what will happen to Tokyo meanwhile, or the people I know there. I suppose postponing worked out for the best though, if I went with my original plan I'd be there now.

I'm following updates from my friends in Japan on Facebook and so far it seems only tremors have reached Tokyo. Still, public transportation has been stopped, millions are without electricity and who knows how the after-quakes will play out. I'm just hoping there will be no significant damage to Tokyo or its infrastructure, so things can get back to normal in a few weeks time.
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Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

This worries me a great deal. I'm supposed to visit a friend of mine at the Norwegian embassy in Tokyo come May, I hope things have been sorted by then or I'll just have to postpone it.

Oh you scamp you. Haha. Not. 

Grow up a little Regi, that 'me me' stuff isn't funny, and if it's not meant to be, at least keep it to yourself.

What part of that could you possibly construe as funny? I've been planning this trip for months and now I'm worried it'll be postponed even more, and god knows what will happen to Tokyo meanwhile, or the people I know there. I suppose postponing worked out for the best though, if I went with my original plan I'd be there now.

I'm following updates from my friends in Japan on Facebook and so far it seems only tremors have reached Tokyo. Still, public transportation has been stopped, millions are without electricity and who knows how the after-quakes will play out. I'm just hoping there will be no significant damage to Tokyo or its infrastructure, so things can get back to normal in a few weeks time.

Hundreds of people die and you're worrying about just having to postpone, nonchalant as that?! I don't find it funny, I just thought that you might.

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just finished chatting with a friend in Tokyo.  as many of you already know by now  Fukushima No 1 nuclear power plant blew the top off about 3~4 hour ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOt_VsBRuY0

pretty much the situation in Tokyo is as Regi described already.  actually the test train ran out of Tokyo last night already, but many walked home or strained in the city, but gov't issued blankets and survival kits to these people almost right away .   most store shelves are empty from people stocking up for the worst, but Tokyo could be back to normal in few weeks if not few days.

the worst seems to be the city of Sendai.  this city will get hit third time, 1st the earthquake, 2nd the tsunami, 3rd the radiation from explosion will blow toward north(opposite direction from Tokyo) by wind and pass close to City of Sendai again.  
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As King Kang mentioned above, there are rumors that the containment building may have exploded, but this is not yet confirmed, but what is obvious is that an immense amount of steam is being released.
 
Needless to say, it now looks like they were unable to either repair the damages, or they never could get adequate power for the cooling pumps and the ultimate result may well be a full out melt-down! 
 
According to some sources this could lead to the necessity of removing many hundreds of thousands of people from around the incident area, and a dead zone of possibly 50 kilo-metres+ in all directions, plus what does one do about the cloud of radioactive water vapor, etc., that is now at the will of the winds?  There exists the possibilty that exposure to this cloud could be deadly, if not quickly but that lingering radiation death that we have read about at Chernoble, etc.!
 
If the material then does burn thru the concrete base, assuming it was not already damaged by the quake, then this material could also contaminate the water table, and be transported in unknown directions.
 
Of course if the meltdown gets to bedrock, then the amount of radioactive debris within the resulting plume of smoke , will be at the will of the winds also, and it will likely be much more dangerous than the current water vapor, with these clouds becapable of moving thousands of miles, reaching the USA or other areas within days or weeks.
 
We can only hope that the situation is not as bad as I have been describing, since such an event could well cause Japan's already weakened financial system to also collapse.  I have no idea just how  much of Japan's industrial output could be threatened if the dead-zone did expand to 50+ kilo-metres in all directions, but it could well be great.
 
And, if Japan did suffer an economic collapse, then there is little reason to wonder if the rest will not follow suit!
 
God bless us all!
 
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Very sad news. It seems nuclear scientists and engineers have fooled people all over the world about the safety of theirs plants. I remember the blamming on Russian incompetency when the disaster of Chernobil. Now, it is clear, this technology should be banned for good, particularly in countries threatened by earthquakes.

With respect to economy, when cathastrophes like these strike you don't worry about economics. You worry about people survival and relief. Which is good in a tragic way, because for the first time in years the center of concern is humans rather than money.


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But, I am still a proponent of Nuclear Energy!  It seems that the French cannot always be incorrect!Smile
 
So, I will support a nuke plant most anywhere we can build one, on a fault or not!
 
I just hate placing halters, blankets, reins, etc., upon my horse team!Wink
 
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There is a disaster going on in Japan. I don't think fision energy has any future but to shut down the plants, quickly.
Better hurry up to develop fusion, but there is no way the world should continue putting in risk large populations with such a primitive technology.
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Half the population of one town missing, probably wiped out (10,000) I wouldn't be surprised if the total death toll exceeds 100k.   I was watching in complete disbelief on Thursday morning news at what looked like a fluid landfill site in motion eating whole towns alive - it didn't register what it was until i started reading the captions.
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I have some questions related to how common devices could help, and I am curious if anything like it are allready in use some places. The ideas: immediate automaic alarm and information, and perhaps also some advice by electronic devices like watches, phones, any similar devices once the approaching disaster are detected. It should, as I see it rom a users point of view, not be impossible, even with minor modifications of present technologies
, but I do not know if anything such are in use at the moment. Those of You living in "risk-zones" probably know a lot more.
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If this catastrophe happened anywhere else the death toll would have been in the millions. This should be a wake up call because if thousands died in Japanhow many would if god forbid a 1755 strikes europe and North Africa or a 64 strikes off the coast of LA or Lima?
 
As for nuclear energy, I think this tsunami proved that you can build a safe nuclear powerplant. This is a very old plant on its way to being decommissioned. Modern powerplants are much safer and stronger than this one and survived strong earthquakes that struk Japan before like the Kobe one.
 
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Don't agree. Chile has a similar earthquake and tsunami at Feb 27, 2010. There was 500 dead, and only 200 were victims of the quake itself. The numbers were relatively low and we aren't a developed country. You can compare it with the cathastrophic number of victims of Haiti (300.000) and with the excesive number of victims in New Zealand (200) that suffered earthquakes a lot smaller. If a large quake strike one day in New York or Toronto, expect massive damage in the city.
Even in California, for the small quake of the 89 San Francisco Earthquake (6.9 on the Richter scale), produced massive damage there and 63 victims.

Japan and Chile are well prepared to stand earthquakes, but tsunamis is another matter. Most of the victims in Japan were by the impact of the tsunami, rather than by the earthquake.

Factors to consider:
(1) surprise. Countries like Haiti or New Zeland weren't prepared to stand earthquakes because they hadn't a history of sysmology. Any country that suffers a major earthquake its first time, it is condemned to suffer massive destruction.

(2) Quakes out of the range: Earthquakes larger than 8 are very uncommon. Not even Japan was accustomed to it, no matter it is a country that suffers lots of quakes. Now, only very strong earthquakes under some conditions produce tsunamis, so Japan wasn't prepared for the event. Not was Chile, that was cought totally unprepared by this strange phenomena.

So, the lesson is simple: build the buildings under the current and better norms (buildings are made with special engineering to stand quakes). Put the streess in tsunami prevention, warning systems, exit ways, barriers and forbid building in dangerous areas.






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There is a world of difference between the Chile earthquake and that of Japan.
 
The Japan earthquake happened right near the surface of the world's deepest pocket of water, the Japan trench which meant that the Tsunami was going to be massive because of the immense amount of water displaced. Waves were at least 15m high in some places if not higher. The Chile earthquake happened in relatively shallow water and far from the Peru-Chile trench so the water displaced was not that great. Anyway here is a good animation of both earthuakes:
 
 
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Indeed, although the earthquake energies were similar, the tsunami waves weren't. In Chile they were 2.6 mt height while in Japan they reached 10 mt!! That's a big difference. In Chile, most of the victims of the tsunami were camping in the summer hollyday, so it was a tragic casuality.
However, something that called my attention is how flat is the Japanese coast in that region. That certainly contributed to the disaster, added the demographic density of the country.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Very sad news. It seems nuclear scientists and engineers have fooled people all over the world about the safety of theirs plants. I remember the blamming on Russian incompetency when the disaster of Chernobil. Now, it is clear, this technology should be banned for good, particularly in countries threatened by earthquakes.

Aye, and those automobilist proponents have fooled people even more. Hundreds were killed in these deadly death traps!
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The solution for cars do exist. Google autonomous driven cars:



Fision plants are a more difficult task, but you can survive building dams, solar energy, biofuels for a little and hurry up developing Fusion plants!




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Our thoughts and prayers are with the Japanese people.

After the Earthquake and Tsunami the devastation was immense. Now with radiation poisoning plus the possibility of nuclear meltdown those poor people must be going through a lot.  God bless them.
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Crazy Footage:

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