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    Posted: 25 Jul 2009 at 21:41

What's the public's opinion to the military arm of the government where you are at? And are any branches of the military clearly with a lower reputation than others?

 

Now, in Estonia... I'd say that no one really cares much, even though we have the compulsory service for every male citizen. No one that I know of speaks very enthusiastically about any service either though. What is clear to me however.. that the lowest reputation is likely the part of anti-air guys (a friend said about them: 'Don't fly and don't allow others to fly either!' LOL). Also, what seems to be a national joke is the Air Force (I mean, two training jets... Confused and they call themselves Air Force). No one that I know has spoken of it positively yet.

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I can't say to know that much about the military in my country - I do have a friend in the aircadets, however, and I've had drinks on board a frigate stationed in Riga, Latvia, and it seems that the Navy and Airforce have a very esteemed position in the forces over here. I feel that individual issues aren't really so much with "branches", but with regiments which, as others said in Act of Oblivion's thread, are incredibly localised and have a strong history in the areas in which they orginate and have their headquarters. In Winchester we have quite a few Gurkas who seem to be respected very well, but in my experience, some of the "squaddies" get a bit rowdy in town in the evenings. My county is quite heavily militarised - lots of sailors, airmen and soldiers in most major towns in Hampshire. In many respects, I actually feel that we may be too enamoured with our regimental history and idiosyncracies - I personally feel that many Englishmen need to be brought down a peg or two about the power of our country militarily in the world today, and I don't think that the position that the army has in our society is condusive to that. 
 
Quote what seems to be a national joke is the Air Force
 
I noticed that with Latvia as well - when I was there, they had three helicopters, but then again, it really isn't that suprising when you consider that aircraft are some of the most expensive pieces of military hardware that a nation can buy! I would have thought that you guys would have been able to use some of the old Soviet stuff still left over after 1990 though - the Russians still use some MiGs (Fishbed, I think...) and the Tu-92 "Bears", and when we consider that the Baltic is in a strategic location for any country against Scandinavia hoping to gain control of the Baltic sea, I would have thought that there would have been more than a few Soviet airbases there...
 
 
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I think that Americans generally honor our military. We have learned from Vietnam that you can't take it out on the soldiers for the war they fight. I don't think we hold any branches lower than others, but the Marines and Navy Seals seem to be the favorites.
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Generally, our military is the mightiest one in the world and we appreciate that. No body mess with us.Wink I found army less favorable unit.
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Ah, I almost forgot. There is actually one *very* respectable battalion.. the Scoutspataljon (Scoutsbattalion, I suppose). It has it's roots in some really harsh manouvering and fighting they did in the Liberation War and those chaps are really considered fine folks.
 
Samuel: I'm fairly confident that there were Soviet air bases over here (I know of one, Ämari, in Estonia; and we also had a nuclear submarine harbour) but all of the military technology was taken out by 1994 (the date for which the Soviet army had to move out of Estonia, or the date by which they accomplished it).
 
 
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Rider, this is an interesting thread.  But I have to answer carefully for obvious reasons.

In Singapore, where I come from, military service is compulsory too.  We have to spend 2 1/2 years in the army from 18 onwards.  I think they reduced it to 2 years if I'm not mistaken.  Anyway, after national service (2 1/2 years as full time soldiers) is over we get called up for reservist once a year until we're about 40.  Or something like that.

I suppose the best units would be the commandos or the guards units.  The service/logistics side of the army, like the mechanics or clerks are not so well looked upon, but their roles are important as well.
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I wonder why the compulsory service is that long. Most places I know of, it's around a year. It's eight months in normal infantry corps and eleven months in transport units in here.
 
And no offense, but I don't think I've ever heard of the Singapore military mentioned.
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I'm somewhat saddened by the fact that the Royal Navy appears to have lost some of its esteem vis-à-vis the army over the last couple of decades.
 
It's very notable that the current royal princes both joined the army, whereas their father and Prince Andrew joined (and in Andrew's case, fought with) the Navy, ending a nearly 200-year-old tradition in which the male monarch, with one exception, served in the Navy (and Elizabeth of course married into it).
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Originally posted by Emperor Barbarossa Emperor Barbarossa wrote:

I think that Americans generally honor our military. We have learned from Vietnam that you can't take it out on the soldiers for the war they fight. I don't think we hold any branches lower than others, but the Marines and Navy Seals seem to be the favorites.
Though I agree that the marines and seals are public favorites, the average American is apolitical in terms of honoring or viewing the military favorably. There are no protests, but there is little interest either.
 
For example, how many Memorial day  or Veterans Day activities are well attended, especially when one factors in the population of the host city? It is usually the same number of people time and time again.  The only truly well attended events are the commercial sales.
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I agree, Cryptic, that Americans do not honor their military in the same fashion as the Brits and other countries do (see Act of Oblivion's thread about local regiments). Usually Veterans Day activities are not well attended in my home city (as with many American towns).
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Originally posted by rider rider wrote:

I wonder why the compulsory service is that long. Most places I know of, it's around a year. It's eight months in normal infantry corps and eleven months in transport units in here.
 
And no offense, but I don't think I've ever heard of the Singapore military mentioned.


Hi Rider,

Sorry for the late reply.  I have no idea why military service is that long here though.

It's alright, the Singapore Armed Forces is merely meant for defense and at most peacekeeping missions in South East Asia.  After all in this day and age, we can't afford not to arm ourselves. 

It's not unusual that you've not heard of Singaporean armed forces mentioned where you live, given our theater of operations. Smile
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Actually, now that I reflect on it, since Singapore is a sovereign state, it's quite interesting why I never assumed that they would have their own Armed Forces. Worth looking into at the very least.
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Originally posted by rider rider wrote:

Actually, now that I reflect on it, since Singapore is a sovereign state, it's quite interesting why I never assumed that they would have their own Armed Forces. Worth looking into at the very least.


Well it's probably because it is out of our sphere of familiarity that we make certain assumptions about things and places we're unfamiliar with.  It's no big deal.

If you are interested in finding out about Singapore and South East Asia, you could check out these 2 links to see the current news going on.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/

http://www.straitstimes.com/

Hope you have fun learning about another part of the world. Wink
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