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Toyomotor. Carcharodon is an activist. He is the kind of foreign agitator that is capable to go elsewhere to insurrect natives against theirs government. For Carcharodon, the ideal is that natives are keep poor without access to goods and education, and his idea to achieve this is to block all progress in foreign countries. Watch him out, that he could go to Australia to block mining or any development that goes against the Aborigines. He is from Sweden, of course, and has no contact with the real world of countries like yours, that still have natives on theirs territory.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Toyomotor. Carcharodon is an activist. He is the kind of foreign agitator that is capable to go elsewhere to insurrect natives against theirs government. For Carcharodon, the ideal is that natives are keep poor without access to goods and education, and his idea to achieve this is to block all progress in foreign countries. Watch him out, that he could go to Australia to block mining or any development that goes against the Aborigines. He is from Sweden, of course, and has no contact with the real world of countries like yours, that still have natives on theirs territory.

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Originally posted by Arlington Arlington wrote:

Your attitude is now clear. Where once I was willing to allow an attitude of doubt. You remain incapable of recognizing the distortion and misrepresentation of your position.

You are then without a doubt a:


big·ot noun \ˈbi-gət\

: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)



: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance


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I am not a bigot, I just go by the facts. I have studied this subject for years and I must conclude that the Christian mission among the indigenous population of the Americas have done much more harm than good, historically speaken. If you do not understand that, well, then one just have to conclude that your mind is clouded by religious propaganda.

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Well, I strongly dislike religions, but protestants in particular, make me feel uneasy. Knowing protestants burned hundred times more people in theirs witch hunting campaigns that Catholics ever did with the Inquisition, makes me realize fanaticism is not a monopoly of Catholics.


Actually, both catholics and protestants burned witches in Europe and both sides were very active in the religious wars in the same period.

And both the missionary work by catholics and protestants has been destructive for the native peoples of the Americas.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Toyomotor. Carcharodon is an activist. He is the kind of foreign agitator that is capable to go elsewhere to insurrect natives against theirs government. For Carcharodon, the ideal is that natives are keep poor without access to goods and education, and his idea to achieve this is to block all progress in foreign countries. Watch him out, that he could go to Australia to block mining or any development that goes against the Aborigines. He is from Sweden, of course, and has no contact with the real world of countries like yours, that still have natives on theirs territory.


Now you talk nonsence. There is actually a resistance among many native populations against Colonial incursions, and that resistance comes from within their societies, they do not need any "foreign agitators" to resist land-theft, environmental destruction, destructive missionary activities and similar.

You Think like the monks of old times, that native peoples are children that do not understand their own good.

By the way, we have an indigenous population in norhern Sweden called the samis. Even they have problems with the majority society concerning land rights and similar, so also here in Sweden we know about these issues. And since I have travelled to several places and also have contacts through letters (and mail and similar) with indigenous peoples from different countries I very well know what I am talking about.

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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:


Actually, both catholics and protestants burned witches in Europe and both sides were very active in the religious wars in the same period.

And both the missionary work by catholics and protestants has been destructive for the native peoples of the Americas.


Every European has been destructive for people in the Americas. European ideas as well. So, please, keep off the continent, if you don't mind, of course.
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Well, sometimes the native peoples of america themselves call for cooperation with European and other NGO:s who understand their causes and want to work with them on their own terms. Should European NGO:s refuse to assist Native americans if they ask for help and support?


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No. I don't think so. But there are NGO and NGOs. What I detest are those whose main goal is to save the plants of the planet, and that use Indians to promote theirs goals.
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Actually one can both save the plants and give support to the native peoples. Many times the two interests coincide since the native peoples usually have no interest in seeing their ancestral lands getting demolished by loggers, miners, ranchers, colonists, oil companies, giant dams and similar destructive forces.

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You guys are hopeless :)   
But really if my source is "protestant propaganda," what should I read Atheistic propaganda? At least Protestants claim to have a moral code.   

Naturally, propaganda is defined as untrue reports, or misinterpreted reports, in which case all of history, is propaganda. It simply a matter of course that some one will claim that something is propaganda.
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Certainly. Propaganda rules the world.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Certainly. Propaganda rules the world.


 
 
Certainly, along with Chinese Whispers.Smile
 
 
 
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The propagandist is the alter ego of the bigot.

1.
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information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.



2. big·ot·ry


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noun: bigotry; plural noun: bigotries
bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.



As a historian, albeit a layman, I refuse the former and then identify those who ascribe.

The key for both the former Toyo is found here: ''intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.''

Dismiss them as they remain nothing more than inane and immaterial rhetoric babblers.

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Arlington: Better stick to the subject of the OT instead of citing som Dictionary.
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Originally posted by Arlington Arlington wrote:

The propagandist is the alter ego of the bigot.

1.
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information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.



2. big·ot·ry


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As a historian, albeit a layman, I refuse the former and then identify those who ascribe.

The key for both the former Toyo is found here: ''intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.''

Dismiss them as they remain nothing more than inane and immaterial rhetoric babblers.

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No problems Toyo. Your choice. I don't pick other peoples Inet/blog friends for them.

As to whether this thread was originated by a bigot and defended by the same bigot? And hence meets the definition of one? Yes, Toyo it was and is.

Therefor the dictionary definitions I provided you remain apt. And are useful for your own analysis and determination of the op. And his obvious anti-theological, Christian missionary, obsessive and biased, rejectionist-misrepresentations and commentary.

And with a few select observations by others, in contrast, they remain obvious.

My apologies to you if you had already discerned this.

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Originally posted by Arlington Arlington wrote:

No problems Toyo. Your choice. I don't pick other peoples Inet/blog friends for them.

As to whether this thread was originated by a bigot and defended by the same bigot? And hence meets the definition of one? Yes, Toyo it was and is.

Therefor the dictionary definitions I provided you remain apt. And are useful for your own analysis and determination of the op. And his obvious anti-theological, Christian missionary, obsessive and biased, rejectionist-misrepresentations and commentary.

And with a few select observations by others, in contrast, they remain obvious.

My apologies to you if you had already discerned this.

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I'm not talking about Penguin.


He's really not a bigot perse. His posts don't define him as such. He may not like religion much and that's his prerogative. But he is willing to hear contrary viewpoints without absolute immediate dismissal. He's demonstrated it on this very thread.

It's the opposite of that stance refer: the original thread maker. He remains a bigot. Whether he's an activist ' green peacer' type, has little to do with his ongoing misrepresentation of christian missionary activities. Merely more duplicitous, obsfuscatory, rhetoric, afaic.

Especially when it comes to the more modern era when elements with varying groups of missionary communities have strongly endorsed reparations for lost resources. As well as an attitude of sound ecological practices and development of resources. Many have adopted quasi if not outright liberation theological philosophical tenets as regards their activities.

And for them it is no sin to view those they care for, and their interests, as 'charges'. because they well know the difference when t hat term is used versus what it once was or as it might refer to cattle.

In point of fact he's a blatant liar as far as I'm concerned. As I noted prior ask those natives who are currently receiving assistance from various organisations, churches, monasteries etc. if they agree with him. Or ask the millions worldwide whether all christian missionary activities should be broad based painted as criminal and or repressive. Ask the many non-christians helped by christians during periods of disaster, famine, war and chaos.

Iow. We can't all be labeled as pro missionary propagandists; for the truth remains that they would tell you he's full of crap.

Period.

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Arlington:
Sorry for sticking my nose in, I thought you were talking about Pinguin.
 
As for the other bloke, he seems to me to come on a bit strong with some of his comments, but I've been known to get a bit passionate at times, so I basically ignore his rants.
 
Another bloke started off getting pretty nasty, but after being ignored for a few weeks, he calmed down.
 
 
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Originally posted by Arlington Arlington wrote:



I'm not talking about Penguin.


He's really not a bigot perse. His posts don't define him as such. He may not like religion much and that's his prerogative. But he is willing to hear contrary viewpoints without absolute immediate dismissal. He's demonstrated it on this very thread.

It's the opposite of that stance refer: the original thread maker. He remains a bigot. Whether he's an activist ' green peacer' type, has little to do with his ongoing misrepresentation of christian missionary activities. Merely more duplicitous, obsfuscatory, rhetoric, afaic.

Especially when it comes to the more modern era when elements with varying groups of missionary communities have strongly endorsed reparations for lost resources. As well as an attitude of sound ecological practices and development of resources. Many have adopted quasi if not outright liberation theological philosophical tenets as regards their activities.

And for them it is no sin to view those they care for, and their interests, as 'charges'. because they well know the difference when t hat term is used versus what it once was or as it might refer to cattle.

In point of fact he's a blatant liar as far as I'm concerned. As I noted prior ask those natives who are currently receiving assistance from various organisations, churches, monasteries etc. if they agree with him. Or ask the millions worldwide whether all christian missionary activities should be broad based painted as criminal and or repressive. Ask the many non-christians helped by christians during periods of disaster, famine, war and chaos.

Iow. We can't all be labeled as pro missionary propagandists; for the truth remains that they would tell you he's full of crap.

Period.

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As i mentioned before, the concept of Christian mission itself is flawed since it is based on the concept that Christianity in some way should be better than other religious beliefs. Also historically, and unfortunately also in todays World, missionary activities is davastating for many indigenous communities in the Americas. Just read some of the links I provided you with.

You can start with this where the author: ...
"charts meticulously the process by which uncontacted hunting people are converted into Christian fodder for the labour market of the national society"

http://www.iwgia.org/publications/search-pubs?publication_id=160

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Quote it is based on the concept that Christianity in some way should be better than other religious beliefs.
 
I don't want to look like and Islam basher, but, of all the religions practiced around the world, Islam is by far the worst in marketing itself as the only religion.
 
It is also the worst in penalising breaches of its doctrines, and particularly if one decides to convert to another religion.
 
One never hears about Tao versus Shinto violence, or seldom about Buddhist violence, especially against their own respective followers. 
 
In cases of this nature, does it really matter which religion was involved?
 
That a trusting young woman was abused by a person in a position of trust is outrageous.


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