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    Posted: 28 Jul 2014 at 18:39
The "watching" technologies discussed here are those via satellites or drones or similar devices watching what is going on on earth. I have from public debate an impression many people are worried about such "orwellian" or "big brother" technologies and their spread while I on the other hand thinks there may be reason to be happy if they spread much more.
I have little doubt intelligence agencies, from US -government in particular - are already very capable .
If those technologies spread, then they will become less of a monopoly, which  from many points of view is fine. In international conflicts as well as when any government is suspected of controversial acts there may be more certain evidence - fine! The same may be said for any part in internal conflicts or civil wars: it may be easier to find out by several independent sources who did what - fine.
In the same way criminal actrivities, not least activities transgressing national borders, may be more exposed to the public. Is that bad?
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It may be used for assassination.  Is that bad?
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Originally posted by literaryClarity literaryClarity wrote:

It may be used for assassination.  Is that bad?
Yes. And that is reality already, but I guess if drones were not available there wouild be still many ways to kill.
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A red herring.  There had been many ways to kill, but not assassinate.  To assassinate involves a highly coordinated and covert effort which due to the nature of its secrecy is highly efficient at removing high value targets.  Now that you've underscored the necessity for the use of drones you've not only delimited the method by which evidence can be ascertained for assassination, you've also managed to exponentially increase assassination attempts.
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Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

Originally posted by literaryClarity literaryClarity wrote:

It may be used for assassination.  Is that bad?
Yes. And that is reality already, but I guess if drones were not available there wouild be still many ways to kill.
 
The use of satellite imagery, or Unmanned Aerial Vehicles to directly attack an opponent removes the human element, at least from the attackers point of view.
 
You're quite correct, the US has been using drones to launch rocket attacks on single vehicles in a convoy in order to assassinate people for some time. It's more "surgical" than aerial bombing from a plane, and proponents use that aspect to defend their use.
 
And it's a far better way to conduct war compared to the indiscriminate rockerts attacks launched by the Palestinians and the Jews in the Gaza War-although both sides claim them to be targetted.
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1. Assassinate? No. Legitimate targets.

''And it's a far better way to conduct war compared to the indiscriminate rockerts attacks launched by the Palestinians and the Jews in the Gaza War-although both sides claim them to be targetted.''


Not really imo. Far better for the mayhem and destruction to be of any weapons system. The intent is to suppress and eliminate the opposition. not seek confirmation or affirmation from naysayers and peacenik, appeasers who would declare any system to be unjust.

While tech will continue. And it probably should in a world full of aggressive beligerents to peace: Russia-PRC-DPRK-Islamist terrorists etc. It is not all inclusive to begin with. Otoh..Tech such as drones has a tendency to depersonalize combat. And if there is a crime in war it would be to depersonalize the horror of it. Whether the need was justified or refuted in the eyes of the observer.

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While there is nothing wrong with the discussion about drones as weapons, that so to say not my primary interest. Neither is my focus how a certain narrow group of participants use it (in particular US goverment, military and intelligence). I am more interested in if or rather when such near monopolies are not more, when if not "everybody" at least a very wide range of actors from around the planet, civilian as well as military get acces to such technologies. I then speculated that "world public" could be much better informed about a wide range of events.
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Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

While there is nothing wrong with the discussion about drones as weapons, that so to say not my primary interest. Neither is my focus how a certain narrow group of participants use it (in particular US goverment, military and intelligence). I am more interested in if or rather when such near monopolies are not more, when if not "everybody" at least a very wide range of actors from around the planet, civilian as well as military get acces to such technologies. I then speculated that "world public" could be much better informed about a wide range of events.
 
I agree. Drones are being used by the military, we all know that. But increasingly, drones are being used by individuals as flying camera platforms. The increase of this technology, if it hasn't already, will spill over to the media, and then we won't necessarily need to rely on government sources for certain information.
 
The price of drones these days is not prohibitive, and no doubt, like mobile phones, will increase in popularity.
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

While there is nothing wrong with the discussion about drones as weapons, that so to say not my primary interest. Neither is my focus how a certain narrow group of participants use it (in particular US goverment, military and intelligence). I am more interested in if or rather when such near monopolies are not more, when if not "everybody" at least a very wide range of actors from around the planet, civilian as well as military get acces to such technologies. I then speculated that "world public" could be much better informed about a wide range of events.
 
I agree. Drones are being used by the military, we all know that. But increasingly, drones are being used by individuals as flying camera platforms. The increase of this technology, if it hasn't already, will spill over to the media, and then we won't necessarily need to rely on government sources for certain information.
 
The price of drones these days is not prohibitive, and no doubt, like mobile phones, will increase in popularity.
 
 
 
 
And we should not forget non-government satelittes, and what information they could give.  With about 200 independent nations it would be strange if not some of them are willing to "host" such idevices for information gathering. A satellite may have the advantage it does not need to fly over other countries "territories", so it is harder to make legal obstacles for any nation.
Then "invissibillity" technologies may also assist.
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