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    Posted: 15 Apr 2014 at 08:18
 
According to Latter Day Saint belief, the golden plates (also called the gold plates or in some 19th-century literature, the golden Bible) are the source from which Joseph Smith said he translated the Book of Mormon, a sacred text of the faith. Some witnesses described the plates as weighing from 30 to 60 pounds (14 to 27 kg), being golden in color, and being composed of thin metallic pages engraved on both sides and bound with three D-shaped rings.

As the discovery of the Golden Plates occurred only a comparatively short time ago, one would expect that they still exist and would be available for viewing by the public.

Is this the case?

 
 
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You can find the answer in the TV series Gallactica
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

You can find the answer in the TV series Gallactica
 
Did you actually understand what I meant?
 
What I want to know is whether or not anyone else has seen the "Golden Plates", are they on display anywhere?
 
If the answer to my question turns out to be in the negative, personally, I'll be filing the whole sect under "L".
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Well, ask the mormons, I guess.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Well, ask the mormons, I guess.
 
So, I take it that you don't know.
 
As you can see, if there are any Mormons who are members of our Forum, they have chosen not to respond.
 
 
 
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Well, if those famous plates have been found... I bet the press would have published the news.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Well, if those famous plates have been found... I bet the press would have published the news.
 
 
But that's the whole point, which you have missed apparently.
 
Joseph SMITH, the "founder" of Mormonism claims to have found the Golden Plates, which he says he was led to by God, ALLEGEDLY!!!, and based the new religion on the writing on the plates.
 
What I'm asking is, can anyone corroborate the finding of the plates?
 
Do they still exist?
 
If not, why not?
 
If they do, are they available for viewing by the public?
 
If they no longer exist, if they have not been seen by anyone else, or if they allegedly DO exist but are kept locked away, I'll stick to my classification of "L" for looney.
 
 


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It seems the plates disappeared as fast as they appeared.
For me, what it is really sad is the claim Mormonism do about pre-Columbian Americas. According to them, a lost tribe of Israel populated the Americas and are the ancestors of indigenous peoples; something that has been shown wrong by modern genetics.
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Pinguin:
From Wikipedia:-
 
Smith eventually obtained testimonies from eleven men, known as the Book of Mormon witnesses, who said they had seen the plates.[4] After the translation was complete, Smith said he returned the plates to the angel Moroni. Therefore the plates cannot now be examined. Latter Day Saints believe the account of the golden plates as a matter of faith, while critics often assert that either Smith manufactured the plates himself[5] or that the Book of Mormon witnesses based their testimony on visions rather than physical experience.
 
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In the words of Mormon historian Richard Bushman, "For most modern readers, the [golden] plates are beyond belief, a phantasm, yet the Mormon sources accept them as fact."[6] Because Smith said he returned the plates to an angel after he finished translating them, their authenticity cannot be determined by physical examination.
 
Very convenient that Smith had to return the Golden Plates to an angel, and had been forbidden to show anyone else, except the "witnesses".
 
How can people be so gullible?
 
 
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

It seems the plates disappeared as fast as they appeared.
For me, what it is really sad is the claim Mormonism do about pre-Columbian Americas. According to them, a lost tribe of Israel populated the Americas and are the ancestors of indigenous peoples; something that has been shown wrong by modern genetics.
 
 
Yes, genetics is a very strong indicator these days!
 
Genetics would also rule out perceived relativity between ancient people of the Mespotamian Valley and South America, funny that ay?
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Well, science is an evil machine that destroy myths and the crazy fantasy of people. That's why I like it.

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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Well, science is an evil machine that destroy myths and the crazy fantasy of people. That's why I like it.
 
I agree, but people still cling to religion which has been all but destroyed by science.
 
People still cling to myths and fantasies, I reckon though, as a means of escapism.
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People is afraid of uncertainty and death. That's why they get into religion, that many use like a lifeboat.
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Pinguin"
I agree with you to a point.
 
As often quoted, there are two things in life that are certain, death and taxation.
 
Why should we be uncertain or afraid of death, it comes to us all eventually. In my case, I hope, not until I'm ready!
 
I agree with you that people embrace religion as a "safety measure", some for life and others until the emergency is over, and then they discard it.
 
But getting back on topic, how, do you suggest, that probably millions of people world wide believe that a man found some golden plates, after being instructed on where to look by an angel, as recently as 1830, and calmly accept that the plates were returned and that no one else was permitted to see them, and then follow the teaching of this man though he was a prophet from God?
 
I know the Christian religion has some loony followers, with loony interpretations of whata's what, but really, Golden Plates? Total secrecy?
 
My feathered compadre, we're in the wrong business.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Well. People always prefer fantasy to facts.
As the old Spanish proverb says... "If idiots could fly I would always be cloudy"
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Another point being of course that the "Home of the brave, land of the free" is also the home of some of the most "off the wall" religious sects on earth.
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