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    Posted: 24 Oct 2009 at 16:29

Which historical figure's life do you think would be interesting to see depicted in a movie? Not the ones already done, such as Alexander, Temujin, Spartacus and Caesar, but people who haven't recieved the honor already.

In my opinion the life of Jogaila I, founder of the Jagiellon Dynasty, would make for a very interesting film. The last pagan ruler of Lithuania who later becomes one of the most powerful men in medieval europe and sets the stage for the Polish-Lithuanian union that would later be a major force on european politics. What are your thoughts?

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Great idea for a thread.

One persons life that is about to be a movie (probably released in 2010) is the slave revolt leader of Haiti, Toussaint Louverture.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0785063/


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Bonnie Prince Charlie, the guy nearly ended Britiain as we know it yet mysteriously stopped at Derby and went back to Scotland only to be defeated and thrown back to France where he came from. By the way did I mention he was only 25.
 
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The female Apache leader Lozen (sister to the maybe more famous Victorio) would be a great subject for a motion picture. Together with her brother and with Geronimo and others she fought both US and Mexican troops in the 19th century. It is said that she had a special gift to foresee the movements of the enemy, which saved her people several times.

Aside from being a leader of war she was also a shaman, midwife and healer.

There has been made a documentary about her in 2003, in the TV series Warrior women. The episode was narrated by Lucy Lawless (Xena).

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Constantine XI Palaiologos, the last Byzantine Emperor, who wouldn't want to see a movie with the fall of Constantinoupolis?
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You need the old Mosfilm to do a job like this Giannis. They did a marvelous job in Waterloo.
 
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There are so many topics that have not been covered in blockbusters. I would like to see some movies centering on the Byzantine Empire, where there's a lot of material for movies; Justinian's reign, Heraclius, Basil II, Manzikert, 1204 or 1453 to mention the best candidates. Also, perhaps a movie or two about Normans, maybe William the Conqueror or Robert Guiscard, or maybe the first crusade.

Moving on to modern history, there are a lot of good movies about Hitler, yet I've not seen a single one about Stalin. If the creators of Der Untergang would take on the job of portraying Stalin in film it'd no doubt be a masterpiece.
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I'd like to see a movie based on Gore Vidal's novel Julian, the last non-Christian Roman emperor. Vidal's Burr would be a good basis for one too, as would Robert Graves' King Jesus  hardly a new figure but definitely a new approach for Hollywood.
 
For spectacle, fighting and a gallant death, a good choice would be Tippoo Sahib (aka Tippu Sultan, Sultan Fateh Ali Tipu). I remember being entranced by a biography of him I was given when I was about 10-11. I guess that would be one for Bollywood.
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...i know there have been films that have included Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery in the story, but i would like to see a 'warts and all' soley biographical study of his wartime career, First and Second World War...(imagine what the additional casting list would be like!!)....
 
...i too would like to see some feature films about the Norman Conquest, and as far as i know, i believe there are one or two (maybe 3?) that should emerge in the near future....
 


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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

For spectacle, fighting and a gallant death, a good choice would be Tippoo Sahib (aka Tippu Sultan, Sultan Fateh Ali Tipu). I remember being entranced by a biography of him I was given when I was about 10-11. I guess that would be one for Bollywood.


God no, they'd make it into another cliche lovestory with lots of silly outbursts into song.
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Well I certainly would love to watch a movie on Khalid bin Walid, the General who never lost. His courage and bravery was to a limit that at a time Khalifa Omer (r) had to fire him from his post as people started to think all the bettles are won by his presence only and that they would be not able to win any battle without him. I know there are some Arabic versions on him around but a Hollywood made (ONLY if they keep it realistic) would be way better.


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Good idea, it could center on the battle of Yarmouk. There's a lot more material in the Arab conquests, I'd like to see something on the conquest of Iberia or - even more stupendously - the conquest of Persia, but that will probably never be made as it's too politically volatile to Middle Easterners and too obscure for Western audiences.
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There have been made a lot of films about Moses. But no film (what I know of at least) has ever been made about his first, ethiopian (Nubian) wife, which Flavius Josephus calls Tharbis. Josephus also gives an exciting (but most likely unhistoric) account about how Moses and she met, an account that could become a background to a movie.


Here is a Youtube presentation of her as she appears in a painting by Jacob Jordaens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAB9yNNKCoM
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

There have been made a lot of films about Moses. But no film (what I know of at least) has ever been made about his first, ethiopian (Nubian) wife, which Flavius Josephus calls Tharbis. Josephus also gives an exciting (but most likely unhistoric) account about how Moses and she met, an account that could become a background to a movie.


Here is a Youtube presentation of her as she appears in a painting by Jacob Jordaens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAB9yNNKCoM
 
This is a compete load of old codswallop. I don't know where to start. To begin with though, it's NOT an early Christian story, it's in Josephus, who was early but not Christian, and it's even mentioned in the Bible ^
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Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cush*te wife, for he had married a Cush*te. 
Mostly though the full legend - for which there is no historical justification whatsoever: we're in Dan Brown land here - comes from Josephus and is Jewish in origin. And it isn't particularly in "early versions" of the Bible story.
There's nothing in any of it to say Miriam and Aaron were punished by God for rejecting the Ethiopian wife. Miriam is punished for opposing Moses: at the itme of the Numbers verse Moses had long since abandoned the Kush*te wife and was already married to Zipporah. Tharbis - the Ethiopian - plays no role in the life of Moses as a prophet or Jewish leader. She doesn't even accompany him to Egypt, let alone to Sinai and Canaan. (Which incidentally is why the painting doesn't show the ten commandments: while he is married to Tharbis, he hasn't been called by God, and there are no commandments. )
 
I could go on. Of course the two wives are not merged in 'later translations of the Bible'. here may be a Bible that is missing Numbers 12:1 but I can't find it. It's no surprise nobody painted her: she isn't involved in anything important in the Biblical story. 
 
And God doesn't show any approval or disapproval of Moses seduction (rather than marriage) of Tharbis. And the painting cannot be of him presenting her to Miriam and Aaron, because he didn't do any such thing.
 
The woman is crazy.
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

 
This is a compete load of old codswallop. I don't know where to start. To begin with though, it's NOT an early Christian story, it's in Josephus, who was early but not Christian, and it's even mentioned in the Bible ^
 
I could go on. Of course the two wives are not merged in 'later translations of the Bible'. here may be a Bible that is missing Numbers 12:1 but I can't find it. It's no surprise nobody painted her: she isn't involved in anything important in the Biblical story. 
 
And God doesn't show any approval or disapproval of Moses seduction (rather than marriage) of Tharbis. And the painting cannot be of him presenting her to Miriam and Aaron, because he didn't do any such thing.
 
The woman is crazy.


Well, whatever, one could still make a nice movie about it taking the bulk of the action from Josephus tale and add with something about Mirjam getting leprocy. Hollywood could probably fix a nice story out of the fragments.

By the way: Ireneus was a Chrisitan writer who actually mention this episode even if he has Josephus as a source. But since Ireneus was a Christian Bishop one can say that Josephus tale was at least mentioned in Christian writings.

Since the Biblic passage is just a short mentioning about the wife one cannot know if he presented her or not. Obviously they knew about her existence.



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Since the Biblic passage is just a short mentioning about the wife one cannot know if he presented her or not. Obviously they knew about her existence.

 
We're talking a fairy tale here, right? It's not even Biblical, so there's no religious disrespect involved. It's just a tale told by a Romanised Jew. Let's at least get that straight.
 
Now, in the story, Moses is a general in Pharaoh's army, fighting in Ethiopia. Aaron isn't, and Miriam is certainly tucked away somewhere safe in Egypt. Tharbis is enamoured of Moses because he is such a mighty warrior, and he says 'OK, I'll marry you if you betray your city to me' and she does. So he marries her and just about immediately tries to figure out how to get out of this unwanted entanglement: somehow he manages to come up with a magic ring which when she wears it causes her to forget all about him, at which point he has it away back to Egypt, where one of these days he will eventually see a burning bush and stuff.
 
She stays where she is wondering where the hell the ring came from.
 
So at no time could Moses have presented his Ethiopian wife to Miriam and Aaron, because they werren't even in the same country.
 
So McGrath's interpretation is all taradiddle. Moses wasn't at all proud of his Ethiopian wife: he was desperate to get away from her.
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

 
We're talking a fairy tale here, right? It's not even Biblical, so there's no religious disrespect involved. It's just a tale told by a Romanised Jew. Let's at least get that straight.
 
Now, in the story, Moses is a general in Pharaoh's army, fighting in Ethiopia. Aaron isn't, and Miriam is certainly tucked away somewhere safe in Egypt. Tharbis is enamoured of Moses because he is such a mighty warrior, and he says 'OK, I'll marry you if you betray your city to me' and she does. So he marries her and just about immediately tries to figure out how to get out of this unwanted entanglement: somehow he manages to come up with a magic ring which when she wears it causes her to forget all about him, at which point he has it away back to Egypt, where one of these days he will eventually see a burning bush and stuff.
 
She stays where she is wondering where the hell the ring came from.
 
So at no time could Moses have presented his Ethiopian wife to Miriam and Aaron, because they werren't even in the same country.
 
So McGrath's interpretation is all taradiddle. Moses wasn't at all proud of his Ethiopian wife: he was desperate to get away from her.


Well, all this is if you take Josephus words for it. Noone really know if any of this has happened, noone knows who met who, and from the Biblical passage, which is oldest, we can not say if they met her or not. As I said they obviously knew about her.

Still, one could probably make a decent movie out of this story. Because of the inherent issue of race it would maybe also get some extra attention.


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There are many good old stories about vikings that one could do interesting and exciting movies about.
There have been some already, made in Iceland (the best one is perhaps Utlaginn [the Outlaw, 1981] based on the saga about Gilse Sursson) but there are many left.
The Americans have made a couple of Viking films too, but they are mostly crap (as for example their slaughter of Frans G Bengtssons novel Rode Orm).
 
So one can just hope for a really good Nordic film about the vikings and their time.
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So many, quite a few have been mentioned already.  Though I would wet myself if I ever hear about a film made involving either Justinian or Belisarius, or Theodora or Narses etc.  (any with an east roman premise is awesome)  Regrettably, I am beginning to think I'm more likely to make my own film on those 6th century characters, than see one done by hollywood.Unhappy 
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Hitler!!! No wait.. :/ all ready done.
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Bonnie Prince Charlie, the guy nearly ended Britiain as we know it yet mysteriously stopped at Derby and went back to Scotland

It wasn't mysterious. There was disagreement amongst the generals and the clans as to whether to invade England or stay in Scotland. The invade England camp temporaily won initally, but the argument didn't go away after they had. Just before they reached London the argument started again, and one Jacobite officer, Doudley Bradstreet, entered the meeting and told them that there was a sizable English army waiting for them at London. This swayed the balance in favour or returning to scotland, and so they did.
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Well I certainly would love to watch a movie on Khalid bin Walid, the General who never lost.

Hear Hear! Although I think it would be better focused on Jonah the Lover, the Damascene who went over to the Arabs and told Khalid the city's weakness. Khalid, of course, would be a major character, as would be Heraclius.

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I would like to see a movie about Princess Charlotte of Wales.       
She was the daughter of Prince George, Prince of Wales and Princess Caroline of Brunswick.     
She married Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld.    
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I would like to see a conspiracy movie, about the successors poisoning Alexander, King of Macedon, in Babylon, and Hephaestion before him, with the help of the philosopher and doctor, Aristotle.  In revenge for Alexander killing Aristotle's nephew, and because Alexander threatened to turn Westward and defeat the rest of the Mediterranean World, including the remaining free Greeks in Italy and Sicily.  Of course, there is a reference to such a conspiracy theory in Arrian, but not enough to make it historically plausible, but of course, that never stopped Hollywood.

Another movie I would like to see is about the Pythagorean and strategos Archytas of Tarentum.  He corresponded with Plato and ransomed Plato out when Plato was captured by pirates.  I would like to see Archytas milling over whether ransoming Plato would necessarily be the best thing for philosophy.  Plato defined all of philosophy after him, but philosophy was also quite different until Plato came along and changed its course.  
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(I've seen one quasi factual movie of this battle, and a more recent productions which pays only passing respect to the actual history. Passing at quite a distance, too.)
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Computer Animated Imagery, Spanish Fleet destroyed, definite possibilities. 

An angel conjuror with his sidekick Kelley; the angels told him what Britain would have in their eventual empire; used an obsidian show stone which came from the Aztecs/Mayans and rests in the British Museum along with his conjuring table which contains the Enochian Alphabet he used as angel language.

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"300" does an animated version of Thermopylae, I don't like the war rhino, but other than that it is pretty good, based on the graphic novel (comic book) by Frank Miller, and ____ Varley.

Watched "Golden Compass" recently, kind of a steampunk world, with intricate artifacts, (spy glasses, magic compass, etc.), the bad guys are the "mysterium" kind of based on a Catholic kind of hierarchy.  Armored polar bears are a lot cooler than war rhinos.
(Jules Verne & HG Wells are kind of the models for steampunk.  Air ships, mechanized robots, so forth,
"Hugo" by Scorsese is steampunk in flavor.
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You two have lost me completely.

Are we still talking about movies we'd like to see?

Don't want to see cartoon versions, rather big screen adult movie.
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Frank Miller is not for kids, violent, I don't remember if the movie has the Spartan nude, but the graphic novel does.  I imagine that there is a clip of it on Youtube if you wanted to check it out before watching the whole thing.  It is not cell animation (cartoons).  More like the magazine Heavy Metal.

I thought I would just mention "Golden Compass," because I know how much Vanuatu loves Catholicism, and the bad guys are the "mysterum," kind of based on a Catholic kind of hierarchy, the movie is very much a French Enlightenment rationalist vibe, although people have "demons"  kind of like a witches' familiar.  Nicole Kidman plays a baddie in it, I am sure that much of it was done in front of a green screen, with computer animation.  But, yes more of a kid's movie, but based on a book series, and sophisticated enough so that adults who like fantasy, would probably like it.  Again done on a green screen but a fictional Victorian era like Jules Verne, instead of for example, the "Sky Captain, World of Tomorrow," with Angelina Jolie, in a fictional '30s, robots, 'spitfires' and airships, also done on green screen.

Think of them as alternate histories.  "300" is Spartan toughness against the Persian invasion, except it has a stupid war rhino (which isn't in the graphic novel).
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I thought I would just mention "Golden Compass," because I know how much Vanuatu loves Catholicism, and the bad guys are the "mysterum," kind of based on a Catholic kind of hierarchy, the movie is very much a French Enlightenment rationalist vibe, although people have "demons"  kind of like a witches' familiar.  

Think of them as alternate histories.  "300" is Spartan toughness against the Persian invasion, except it has a stupid war rhino (which isn't in the graphic novel).

Golden Compass-For the record the Catholic villain is just too easy, much like the jihadist. I did like the look of the film and it was brave enough to take some chances. 

What is the problem with the rhino? The rhino and the disfigured Spartan could be seen as symbolic, the beast of war and the outcast were details that enhanced the story line IMHO .  300 is live action but it captures the beauty of the still shot repeatedly maybe an homage to the graphic novel.

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I want to see a book, "how to put battle armor on a rhino."  It's silly.
The disfigured character was good, there actually was someone of that name that showed the
Persians the pass, but I think that making him a disfigured Spartan outcast who couldn't participate
in the battle line was a nice (but added) touch.  The film is not straight live action, maybe rotoscope or some other technique.
300 definitely fit in with the myth of the plucky Greek West standing up against the decadent Eastern despotic Persians, or a continuation of the Trojan War Achaeans (Greeks) vs. Trojans and allies, which is continued in the Greeks of Greece breaking away from the Ottoman Empire.
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