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Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

So if they become muslim what is going to change? These people are euroeapn in everything except skin colour (Islam is as european a religion as christianity since many in the Balkans were muslims well before some other europeans converted to christianity from paganism).
 
They think the same way, eat the same way, have the same life style. Culturally europe is Greco-Roman even in religion since the enitre christian religion (except a few protestant sects) is built on pure greco-Roman thought which as everybody knows was pagan in origin.
 
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First of all, skin colour and ethnicity isn't something unimportant. A nation is based not only on its culture, but it's blood too. You can't have a french nation of blacks or arabians for example. It will simply no longer be the french nation. The exctiction of any world nation is a loss to human civilization and if all european nations die out it will be the biggest blow to human civilization ever,because their culture,history,traditions and achievements will die with them.
 
Second, only a few balkan nations are muslim, the rest of Europe's nations have nothing to do with islam, so ofcourse islam is NOT european and Europe is much more a christian continent,than a muslim one.
 
Third, muslims do NOT think,eat or behave in the same way as christians.There are major differences in christian and muslim culture and lifestyle. If only muslims remain in Europe and the Sharia is introduced it will be the end of all european cultures and especially the end of all social achievements ,such as free speach,rights of women and many more. If radical muslims take over a country such as England for example it will also mean the destruction of numerous buldings and pieces of art. Thousands of beautiful churches will be turned into mosques and their interior destroyed.
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Its funny to see Muslims getting upset and confused as to why they are the center of paranoia. All Abrahamic religions except for Judaism are seek to convert and condemn those of other faith. Even if the moderate members of their religion aren't so, their religious leaders sure seem to be.

It would be a miracle to have a 2 hour long conversation with a staunch Christian without him/her giving reference to their religion.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Blame hippism and the freedom of women, abortion, the liberals but particularly the generation that forgot to reproduce.


Yeah blame those Hindus for being tolerant.
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Originally posted by Genesis 16 ~ New King Jame's Version Genesis 16 ~ New King Jame's Version wrote:



1 Now Sarai Abram's wife bore him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar. 2 And Sarai said to Abram, Behold now, the LORD has restrained me from bearing: I pray you, go in to my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram listened to the voice of Sarai. 3 And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelled ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife. 4 And he went in to Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes. 5 And Sarai said to Abram, My wrong be on you: I have given my maid into your bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and you. 6 But Abram said to Sarai, Behold, your maid is in your hand; do to her as it pleases you. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.

7 And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur. 8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, from where came you? and where will you go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai. 9 And the angel of the LORD said to her, Return to your mistress, and submit yourself under her hands. 10 And the angel of the LORD said to her, I will multiply your seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

11 And the angel of the LORD said to her, Behold, you are with child and shall bear a son, and shall call his name Ishmael; because the LORD has heard your affliction.

12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brothers.

13 And she called the name of the LORD that spoke to her, You God see me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that sees me? 14 Why the well was called Beerlahairoi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.

15 And Hagar bore Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bore, Ishmael. 16 And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bore Ishmael to Abram.


God referring to Islam. dwell in the presence of his brothers; Christianity and Judaism and I shall multiply your seed exceedingly; growth of Muslim population.

Yes I read the Bible and am planning to read the Qur'an and Torah after learning Arabic and Hebrew.

Brahmins don't go around condemning other religions out of pure hatred.

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First of all, skin colour and ethnicity isn't something unimportant. A nation is based not only on its culture, but it's blood too. You can't have a french nation of blacks or arabians for example. It will simply no longer be the french nation. The exctiction of any world nation is a loss to human civilization and if all european nations die out it will be the biggest blow to human civilization ever,because their culture,history,traditions and achievements will die with them.

 

Second, only a few balkan nations are muslim, the rest of Europe's nations have nothing to do with islam, so ofcourse islam is NOT european and Europe is much more a christian continent,than a muslim one.

 

Third, muslims do NOT think,eat or behave in the same way as christians.There are major differences in christian and muslim culture and lifestyle. If only muslims remain in Europe and the Sharia is introduced it will be the end of all european cultures and especially the end of all social achievements ,such as free speach,rights of women and many more. If radical muslims take over a country such as England for example it will also mean the destruction of numerous buldings and pieces of art. Thousands of beautiful churches will be turned into mosques and their interior destroyed.
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Originally posted by Polak Polak wrote:

...First of all, skin colour and ethnicity isn't something unimportant. A nation is based not only on its culture, but it's blood too. You can't have a french nation of blacks or arabians for example. It will simply no longer be the french nation. The exctiction of any world nation is a loss to human civilization and if all european nations die out it will be the biggest blow to human civilization ever,because their culture,history,traditions and achievements will die with them...
 
Absolutely agree.
 
When the Europeans came to the Americas, no matter they mixed in certain degree with locals, completely destroyed the Amerindian cultures. Today less than the 5% of the population of the Americas really have some trully Amerindian culture to talk about.
 
You can't simply change a people for another without changing the host country. Particularly if the ethnicity of the newcomers is different. That's absolutely true.
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Pinguin, I don't think you actually understood what that skinhead was talking about. 

You can have a nation without the "skin" factor, that is retarded to begin with. Culture is not dependent on something as trivial as skin color. Look at America for example, 2nd, 3rd generation, and children of immigrants growing up here are for the most part integrated in the bigger mainstream American culture. 

You already have the same happening in Germany, to a degree in France, and some other countries as well. 

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It wasn't the skin color of the Spaniards that destroyed the native cultures, it was the unpreparedness of the natives to face that new foe, and of course the new foe unwilling to leave things be. 
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Latin America is not today what it was before Columbus. That's sad in some way. I wouldn't exist if that event didn't happens though, but it is not less sad because that.

I don't believe replacing Europeans by Africans and Asians will preserve Europe like it is now. Nope. Europe is going to die and will be replaced by something different. It is impossible to preserve a people if you don't preserve a blood. Otherwise, what you have are cartoons, like those Europeans that go to pow-wows to play Indian.
 
Are the immigrants to Europe guilty of that? I don't believe so. The people guilty of theirs own extinction are the Europeans, who don't want to have children. The culture of death took root in Europe decades ago, and just now we are starting to see the effects.
 
In the next half a century, if the trend continues, Europe will look like Madagascar. Don't expect then that much European culture is left.
 
 
 
 


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That makes no sense. For one we all got the same "blood," and other than that we as a species adapt. Cultures are fluid. And many people adapt to a certain culture having grown up in it or been born in it.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Latin America is not today what it was before Columbus. That's sad in some way. I wouldn't exist if that event didn't happens though, but it is not less sad because that.


You can not compare some immigrants coming to Europe, with the permission of the Europeans themselves, with the invasion of the Americas and the extermination of many Amerindian peoples and the destruction of their cultures. Its a rather big difference both in scale and in the way the immigration takes place. No armies from muslim countries come here and pave the ways for the immigrants. No intruders are forcing Europeans away from their land and making them live in reservations. No muslims destroy our land, shopping down our woods, damming our rivers or extract a lot of minerals under our feet. You cannot compare two totally different situations.

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

I don't believe replacing Europeans by Africans and Asians will preserve Europe like it is now. Nope. Europe is going to die and will be replaced by something different. It is impossible to preserve a people if you don't preserve a blood. Otherwise, what you have are cartoons, like those Europeans that go to pow-wows to play Indian.
 
Are the immigrants to Europe guilty of that? I don't believe so. The people guilty of theirs own extinction are the Europeans, who don't want to have children. The culture of death took root in Europe decades ago, and just now we are starting to see the effects.
 
In the next half a century, if the trend continues, Europe will look like Madagascar. Don't expect then that much European culture is left.


What culture of death are you talking about? It is not forbidden or against European culture to have children.
 

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Originally posted by es_bih es_bih wrote:

That makes no sense. For one we all got the same "blood," and other than that we as a species adapt. Cultures are fluid. And many people adapt to a certain culture having grown up in it or been born in it.
 
Roots. That's the point. People is not just screws that can be interchange. They have ancestors, families, traditions. You change a people by other and all that is gone.
 
 
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You can not compare some immigrants coming to Europe, with the permission of the Europeans themselves, with the invasion of the Americas and the extermination of many Amerindian peoples and the destruction of their cultures. Its a rather big difference both in scale and in the way the immigration takes place. No armies from muslim countries come here and pave the ways for the immigrants. No intruders are forcing Europeans away from their land and making them live in reservations. No muslims destroy our land, shopping down our woods, damming our rivers or extract a lot of minerals under our feet. You cannot compare two totally
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Bloody or peacefully the impact is the same. When the last descendent of the Norse is gone in Sweden, do you believe it will be worth visiting your country to see the Norse there?

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:


What culture of death are you talking about? It is not forbidden or against European culture to have children.
 
You know what culture of death I am talking about. The priority is on cats rather than in childrens in some parts of Europe. Besides, abortion, lack of compromise with families, and above all the lack of desire to have kids because they are more expensive than luxury cars, the promotion of eugenesia of old people, the esterilization of young people without kids, etc.
 
That was it is called the culture of death. 
 
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

  Bloody or peacefully the impact is the same. When the last descendent of the Norse is gone in Sweden, do you believe it will be worth visiting your country to see the Norse there?

We do not have so many immigrants that they will take over totally. And in the future it might happen that there will be less immigrants, because new restrictions that can come. Also things can improve in the countries where refugees are coming from so that not so many will come here anymore. Look at the Chileans. Once many of them came here but lately some of them are even going back to Chile. And most of the other are getting more integrated for every new generation. Soon they will be hard to discern.

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

You know what culture of death I am talking about. The priority is on cats rather than in childrens in some parts of Europe. Besides, abortion, lack of compromise with families, and above all the lack of desire to have kids because they are more expensive than luxury cars, the promotion of eugenesia of old people, the esterilization of young people without kids, etc.

That was it is called the culture of death.  

You obviously do not know so much about Europe. People do still give birth to children. The rate of abortions are getting lower in many places and most people still wish to have children.

And the eugenics of old people and the sterilization of young people sounds like you have read about in some pamphlet with right wing Catholic propaganda.

The only culture of death is when crazy people like the pope are trying to forbid contraceptives and abortion or propagate against condoms even if those condoms are known to save countless of people from HIV infection and other diseases.



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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

You know what culture of death I am talking about. The priority is on cats rather than in childrens in some parts of Europe. Besides, abortion, lack of compromise with families, and above all the lack of desire to have kids because they are more expensive than luxury cars, the promotion of eugenesia of old people, the esterilization of young people without kids, etc.
 
That was it is called the culture of death. 
 

That indeed sounds horrible. Fortunately we don't have it. LOL
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Is ignorance about the topic and region a special qualification  to participate in this discussion? The more far away one live and the lesser on knows the better?
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First of all, skin colour and ethnicity isn't something unimportant. A nation is based not only on its culture, but it's blood too. You can't have a french nation of blacks or arabians for example. It will simply no longer be the french nation. The exctiction of any world nation is a loss to human civilization and if all european nations die out it will be the biggest blow to human civilization ever,because their culture,history,traditions and achievements will die with them.


Absolutely agree. Multiculturalism sucks. Just read the story of Babel in the Bible, and you'll realize that multicultural societies fall down.

With respect to blood, of course it is important because it is the link with OUR ancestors, so foreigners please stay home.
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Culture is not dependent on something as trivial as skin color. Look at America for example, 2nd, 3rd generation, and children of immigrants growing up here are for the most part integrated in the bigger mainstream American culture.


The U.S. is not a nation. It is just a Tuti-Fruti without identity.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by SPQR SPQR wrote:


First of all, skin colour and ethnicity isn't something unimportant. A nation is based not only on its culture, but it's blood too. You can't have a french nation of blacks or arabians for example. It will simply no longer be the french nation. The exctiction of any world nation is a loss to human civilization and if all european nations die out it will be the biggest blow to human civilization ever,because their culture,history,traditions and achievements will die with them.


Absolutely agree. Multiculturalism sucks. Just read the story of Babel in the Bible, and you'll realize that multicultural societies fall down.

With respect to blood, of course it is important because it is the link with OUR ancestors, so foreigners please stay home.
 
Multiculturalism has been demonstrated to work fairly well in a number of places, such as Australia, Canada, Singapore, etc. Culture is something acquired after birth, and so does not relate to appearance, except in as much as it acts as a magnet for the fears and insecurities of others.
 
 
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On what planet are this "Europe" discussed here located? It must be a place I have never ever heard of, though the place were I live is usually regarded as part of another Europe (funny coincidence, but of course it is completely irrellevant how it is here, sorry!) And is it seriously meant put under  "intellectual" discussions?
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I forgot the moon "Europa". Of course it that place!
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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

Multiculturalism has been demonstrated to work fairly well in a number of places, such as Australia, Canada, Singapore, etc. Culture is something acquired after birth, and so does not relate to appearance, except in as much as it acts as a magnet for the fears and insecurities of others.
 


In Canada? Give me a break.

Multiculturalism in Canada is just the excuse of the white man there to get replaced without making noise.


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I guess newcomers don't have Canadian blood. Maybe they have pink blood or purple... Anyway, blood is very important, you can't live without blood. It carries O2 to body cells and takes CO2 from them. What would be if our blood was made of punch?
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