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    Posted: 22 Sep 2009 at 20:20
Hello to you all!

As I've said before, 9 months ago i started a dictionary of ancient languages called Palaeolexicon (the old dictionary). Originally the idea was to create a Linear B dictionary so that people could translate Greek Linear inscriptions from symbols to plain english. It's evolution made it to a dictionary of ancient languages, targeting Greek, Persian, Phrygian, the Anatolian languages etc.

The first release will include 2 languages for starters: Mycenaean Greek and Phrygian. More languages will follow as soon as i finish those two databases.

What makes the dictionary different is the existence of virtual keyboards that allow you to type the symbols of an inscription you might have in front of you.

Right now it's on an alpha stage, but i will soon have a beta up and running. I need to finish all the basic sections of the site and then i will release it for public use.

Whoever feels for having a look and giving some feedback on ideas or possible bugs, can visit the following url that i have split in order to avoid spidering of search engines...

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palaeolexicon.
com/default3.aspx

if you join the three lines to one you have the complete "hidden" address.


Anyway, here are some screenshots from its current form.


The main page




Word search




Word information with cognates, PIE root and comments




Virtual keyboards






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Seems interesting. I'll be sure to take a closer look to it sometime soon.
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Great rider!
I will need some feedback for sure.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Seko- Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2009 at 15:21
Mighty impressive Flipper. For anyone in the know (not me unfortunately) your keyboard should be of immense value. Congrats
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I'm at the edges of the WiFi area atm, but the page was extremely slow for me. Didn't really like that.
 
Okay, I tried beginning it with Linear A but it was too slow for me to wait out right now.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Flipper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2009 at 06:51
Maybe it was a bad moment on the server or something...The page is supposed to be very fast since it doesn't reload each time you click on something.

Let me know if you check from some other place and it's slow again.


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Originally posted by Seko Seko wrote:

Mighty impressive Flipper. For anyone in the know (not me unfortunately) your keyboard should be of immense value. Congrats


Thanks Seko!
Ofcourse, i forgot to mention that you don't need to type symbols to search. The symbols are there in case you have a picture of a tablet in front of you and no latin transliteration.

Otherwise, you are able to search in a word with latin or in some cases greek characters - or simply write the meaning (in english) of the word you want to locate. E.g if you write "dead" in english, the Phrygian "ΠΕΙΣ" will appear. The same result would show up if you wrote "peis" which is the latin transliteration.
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Wow, amazing, Flipper!   Like Seko said I'm not one of those 'in the know' to appreciate the true value of it, but least looks great to me.  And the virtual keyboard seems to be a great idea.  I checked out Articles page but no artcles yet.  I understand that it is new and you haven't got around to that part of the site yet, but it might be more useful to the outsiders like me when you get around to it, something to spark the interest....  Also I appreciate putting AE in the Links list!  Congrats and thanks, Flipper!     
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Thanks King Kang of Mu!
The articles section is ready for administration, it's just that i didn't have time to write something yet. A correct historical/archeological/linguistic article requires collecting all the sources for what you write and extra care on how you'll express it. Therefore it needs time. I will fill in the dictionaries first which i suspect to be aprox. 3500 words for Mycenaean Greek and Phrygian. Every word takes time as well since, i have to fill in meaning, transliterations, root word (e.g PIE), inscriptions, comments and flags (if the word is disputed or of uncertain etymology).

Meanwhile i do have in mind some articles that i want to prepare. I already started writing mini articles in the languages section. Yesterday, i finished the description of the Phrygian language and now i have Linear B to go.

As for A.E it won't just be on the links list, but on a separate section of collaborators. If there was no AE, i wouldn't probably be the same today. I would be a lonely writer with no one to test, verify or correct my knowledge.
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Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:


As for A.E it won't just be on the links list, but on a separate section of collaborators. If there was no AE, i wouldn't probably be the same today. I would be a lonely writer with no one to test, verify or correct my knowledge.
 
As one of the least deserving member of AE, I thank you again, Flipper!  I couldn't possibly think of a better testimony for how AE is changing out lives for better.  And I also thank you because your site would help some of our members as much as you feel AE has helped you.  This actually triggers me to put more interest on ancient languages.  I must admit I have long way to go and I can't be much help to your site.  But from the distance, I admire how you are able take something from AE and able to produce something like this.  This is what AE is about, and I envy you, Flipper. Keep up the great work, brother! 


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Hey people. I have some updates...

For quite some time now I have included a Thracian *reconstructed* dictionary (including Dacian). A nice summit of the history of Thrace from pre-history to the Roman era has been uploaded as well.

Right now, I'm working on the Cypriot Syllabary... It was a writing system, related to the Linear A and B of the Minoans & Mycenaeans, used between the 11th and the 1rst centuries BC.

The (Arcado-)Cypriot dialect is in generally a very old form of Greek. It has various "anomalies" and many archaisms that you will not trace in any other dialects. Good material on Cypriot writings is generally very rare and one has to read a great number of publications to collect a good amount of material. Generally, there are few non-Greek linguists that have been devoted to this dialect and from what I experience myself it is very revealing when one tries to understand phenomena that occur in a language after isolation and how primitive forms of a language can be preserved through time.

In the following weeks I will release a first sample of the Syllabic - Cypriot dictionary. Before December 2010 I hope to release Lydian and Lycian dictionaries as well.






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Dictionary of Cypriot Syllabic is now up! Smile

Next dictionary will be either Lydian or Lycian...
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Alright!

I just published a dictionary of the Carian language. Carian is an Anatolian language that was deciphered just 25 years ago. The main reason behind its late decipherment is that the Greek-looking letters have completely different values than their Greek counterparts e.g M is S, Γ (gamma) is B, B is P, C is G, N is M...


Although Carian is classified as an Anatolian language (belonging to the Luwic group), Carians were probably not living in Anatolia before the Greek colonization. They probably arrived with the first Minoan settlers at Miletus. Herodotus who was half Carian - half Greek mentions that they were living in the Aegean islands and were loyal to King Minos, to whom they did not pay tax to, but they were obliged to provide military manpower when the Cretans were in need.

The Carian corpus, consists mainly of personal names. However, there's enough material to have an idea of the Carian grammar (e.g example words ending in -ś are in genitive). Despite all words are not certain and there are many unknown etymologies, most long inscriptions have been interpreted.

Right now, I am having a problem with some unicode characters, so in some cases it might be hard to understand from the transcription how Carian words are pronounced (e.g k̂arrś). I'm preparing for a big update of the site, in order to make it more unicode friendly. Besides, when I started with Linear B I just needed to show simple Latin and Greek characters.


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Ok, I've got several great updates...

First of all, I just released a Lydian word index with approximately 200 words I managed to collect from scattered sources. Lydian unfortunately is badly documented, being in the shadow of Hittite and Luwian studies. By my belief it must have been a very beautiful language. For some reason, in some cases it reminds me of Latin, but nevertheless Lydian is a language belonging to the Anatolian group of Indo-European languages.

Unlike Carian (was recently added as well) that is a hell to read, Lydian is very easy. The only hard part is that you must get used to read it from right to left.



In any case, this collection of Lydian words is still under review. Use it with caution... I'm trying to find a good number of sources in order to remove the "disputed/uncertain" flags on many words.


Apart from Lydian, I have done a major update on the Phrygian dictionary. First of all, it is the most concise you will find online with almost 300 words. Add to that that there's a lot of references and comments in most of the words, presenting various opinions from various scholars at various times. What was missing however, was a proper presentation of the language that I have now updated. It will give you a good overview over the language, its grammar and its history. I have still work to do (on grammar examples) so consider that section "under proper treatment". Smile


Next to do... Presentation of the Carians and the Lydians. The sections are still under construction.




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Carian language description is now online. I think it is by far the most concise you will find online at the moment. A gallery is to be added...

Also, I have unicode representations of the Carian letters on the symbol sequence while browsing. Works in some computers but in others it doesn't. If anyone experiences this let me know.


Edited by Flipper - 20 May 2011 at 14:34
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