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    Posted: 14 Jan 2011 at 00:11
Popular belief holds the sunny islands in the South Pacific as one of the last paradises on Earth. But that has not hindered colonial powers to exploit and destroy both people and the environment. One rather nasty abuse is the nuclear tests conducted by USA in Micronesia (23 tests on the Bikini atoll between 1946 and 1958) and the French in Polynesia (tests on Mururoa and Fangatufa between 1974 to 1996, 41 atmosheric tests and 147 underground tests).
 
The aftermath of these tests could be seen in increased levels of radiation in the food chain and an increase in the frequency of different forms of cancer in the populations surrounding the test sites.
 
Swedish ethnographer, author and also consul in French Polynesia wrote books (together with his French wife) and protested vividly against the French nuclear testings. At one occation the French even through him out from Tahiti.
 
 
Also the organisation Greenpeace protested which provoked the French to bomb their ship Rainbow Warrior in the port of Auckland, New Zealand.
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Yes, only swedish environmentalists noticed it.
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No, the US broke their alliance with New Zealand over it.
 
To explain, Australia and New Zealand were effectively using Greenpeace as privateers to harass the French testing. Not just because of enviromental reasons, but also because they're French.
 
The French, naturally, were not too keen on this, so they bombed the Rainbow Warrior in Auckland harbour. That technically is an act of war by France against New Zealand. A major diplomatic row erupted between NZ and France, and NZ expected the support of it's allies in prosecuting the commandos behind the bombing and getting compensation from the French Government. The US failed to provide NZ with the support it expected. After all, France had attacked NZ, and NZ-US alliance specified that the US would come to the aid of NZ. So the Kiwis told the US they could take their nuclear powered warships and park them somewhere else. Resulting in the US terminating the alliance.
 
It's the reason behind the oddity of NZ not being in the ANZUS alliance.


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I thought the ANZUS alliance has effectively become two two-way relationships, one between Australia and the US, and one separately between Australia and NZ.

Anyway, the issue of pollution from nuclear testing is totally a valid one. The French could always have done their tests off the coast of Corsica. Can anyone guess why they didn't.
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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

I thought the ANZUS alliance has effectively become two two-way relationships, one between Australia and the US, and one separately between Australia and NZ.
It appears you're right. NZ never withdrew. The US suspended the US-NZ part.
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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

I thought the ANZUS alliance has effectively become two two-way relationships, one between Australia and the US, and one separately between Australia and NZ.
It appears you're right. NZ never withdrew. The US suspended the US-NZ part.


Realistically, what is NZ going to do but go along with Australia? 




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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

No, the US broke their alliance with New Zealand over it.
 
To explain, Australia and New Zealand were effectively using Greenpeace as privateers to harass the French testing. Not just because of enviromental reasons, but also because they're French.
 
The French, naturally, were not too keen on this, so they bombed the Rainbow Warrior in Auckland harbour. That technically is an act of war by France against New Zealand. A major diplomatic row erupted between NZ and France, and NZ expected the support of it's allies in prosecuting the commandos behind the bombing and getting compensation from the French Government. The US failed to provide NZ with the support it expected. After all, France had attacked NZ, and NZ-US alliance specified that the US would come to the aid of NZ. So the Kiwis told the US they could take their nuclear powered warships and park them somewhere else. Resulting in the US terminating the alliance.
 
It's the reason behind the oddity of NZ not being in the ANZUS alliance.


French abussed all the countries of the Pacific with theirs nuclear tests. Why didn't they made them in France? Are the people of the Pacific and South America (where the winds blow) second class people, that the French could put in risk if they wished?

It is amazing what a decadent superpower can do to show strength. French, ha!



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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

No, the US broke their alliance with New Zealand over it.
 
To explain, Australia and New Zealand were effectively using Greenpeace as privateers to harass the French testing. Not just because of enviromental reasons, but also because they're French.
 
The French, naturally, were not too keen on this, so they bombed the Rainbow Warrior in Auckland harbour. That technically is an act of war by France against New Zealand. A major diplomatic row erupted between NZ and France, and NZ expected the support of it's allies in prosecuting the commandos behind the bombing and getting compensation from the French Government. The US failed to provide NZ with the support it expected. After all, France had attacked NZ, and NZ-US alliance specified that the US would come to the aid of NZ. So the Kiwis told the US they could take their nuclear powered warships and park them somewhere else. Resulting in the US terminating the alliance.
 
It's the reason behind the oddity of NZ not being in the ANZUS alliance.


French abussed all the countries of the Pacific with theirs nuclear tests. Why didn't they made them in France? Are the people of the Pacific and South America (where the winds blow) second class people, that the French could put in risk if they wished?

It is amazing what a decadent superpower can do to show strength. French, ha!





That's exactly what I am saying, why not do the tests off Crosica? Hell, they could even do them on one of their islands in the sub-Antarctic so that less human beings will be affected by the nuclear waste.
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French are a bunch of bullies.
They also are transporting nuclear waste through the waters of the Pacific.


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Ah, the demos...still in search of public protests for the sake of exercise.
 
Funny, notice the silence over China--
 
On 24 September 1996, China signed the CTBT (Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty), even though the treaty draft both banned peaceful nuclear explosions (PNEs) and allowed national technical means (NTMs) to verify such activities. China insisted that the PNE ban be reviewed after 10 years, that NTM not be abused to infringe on Chinese sovereignty, and that the CTBT be considered only a first step toward more general disarmament. 
 
Then there's North Korea...
 
Now how does one spell hypocrites...? 
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At least China do not test their nukes on the islands in the Pacific, polluting the sea.
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Then better worry over sea bed volcanic activity Carch!
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Please note what China did on other people's land it occupied in 1950's.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/14535/
Chinese Nuclear Tests Allegedly Caused 750,000 Deaths
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Quote On March 18, Japanese professor Takada Jun revealed at a nuclear forum that the Chinese regime carried out 46 surface nuclear tests from 1964 to 1996, causing 750,000 civilian deaths in surrounding areas.

At the "Chinese Nuclear Test Disasters on the Silk Road and the Japanese Role" symposium, sponsored by the Japanese Uyghur Association, Dr. Takada Jun, a professor at the Sapporo Medical University and a representative of the Japanese Radiation Protection Information Center, revealed the disastrous problems of China’s nuclear tests. Dr. Takada said that the Chinese regime has never allowed any form of independent or outside environmental evaluation, analysis, or study of adverse affects on human health possibly cause by the tests.

Dr. Takada said that the 46 nuclear tests were carried out at the Lop Nur site in northwestern XinJiang Province, home of the Uyghur people. The tests had a cumulative yield of over 200 megatons. Though the area of the tests is sparsely populated, many cities on the ancient Silk Road trade route are downwind from Lop Nor and have been exposed to much nuclear fallout from the variety of tests conducted.  Prior to 1981, the fallout from surface tests was a major contributor to an increase in the incidences of cancer and birth defects.   

The professor also said that the largest surface detonation was a 4 megaton thermonuclear bomb, which was 10 times more powerful than the former Soviet Union's large-scale tests. The fallout from the test allegedly caused an estimated 190,000 deaths and 1,290,000 suffered from radiation poisoning within an area 136 times the size of Tokyo. According to an inside source, 750,000 people allegedly died as a result.

Chinese nuclear tests began on Oct. 16, 1964, with the above ground detonation of a 20,000-ton bomb, followed by a two-megaton surface explosions in 1967. The largest was a four-megaton explosion on Nov. 17, 1976. China changed to doing atmospheric tests in 1980 and underground tests from 1982 to 1996.  

Takada said China is the only country in the world that carries out these large-scale surface tests in living areas.

The Director of the Japanese Uyghur Association criticized the tests. "The former Soviet Union would carry out nuclear tests in an enclosed barb-wired area, but the Chinese regime didn't even inform the local residents,” he said. “The victims included not only the Uyghur people, but also Han Chinese. The authorities disregarded any semblance of humanity and treated the people living there as lab rats." He urged Japan, the first victim of nuclear weapons, to share the information with the rest of the world and help the victims.

In July and August of 1998, the British Channel 4 broadcasted a special documentary, “Death On the Silk Road.” A team of doctors and filmmakers posed as tourists in order to assess the possible effects from the nuclear tests in China. From the interviews conducted in local villages, they found a large number of infants with cleft lips or mental retardation. Among the Uyghur people, many were suffering from malignant lymphoid leukemia. Incidences of cancer in Uyghur began rising in 1970 and by 1990, it was more than 30% higher than the national average. The cancer incidence in the capital city Urumqi doubled that of other areas during 1993 to 2000.

Based on data he collected in Kazakhstan near the Chinese border and his research on affects of nuclear fallout, Professor Takada also evaluated the impact in the area and published his findings in a book. He won an award for his contributions.
 
The experience of Professor Tamio Kaneko, a historian who visited the Xinjiang area, also supports the story. An expert in Asian history, Tamio filled his house with ancient relics from central Asia. But he didn't dare to bring back pebble samples in Lop Nur because they have hundreds or thousands of times more radiation than regular samples.

Kaneka recalled that while he was at the research site, his eyes watered profusely and bleed slightly. He also suffered from a sore throat and frequent nose bleeds. His tears won't stop in the Spring because of the pollen, a residual effect of the radiation.

Takada expressed his concern and anger over highly promoted tourism on the Great Silk Road. Tourist sites are actually in the radiation area, making travel highly risky to innocent people, especially those who visited before 1996.

Mr. Dili Anwar, a Uyghur exile living in England, said, "China conducts nuclear tests not only for itself, but also provides the testing site to Pakistan. We all know that Pakistan conducted a nuclear test one week after India’s test. In fact, Pakistan had already tested twice in China before that."

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Well, nuclear tests in general is a hazard both those who are conducted inland or on islands. The problems with the tests on small islands in the Pacific is the spreading of contamination out in the water and the spreading of contaminents through sea currents and through food chains. We have yet to see the long term effects of that spreading.
The best thing would be a stop of all testing of nuclear weapons, wether inland, on islands, on the surface or under ground.
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All the nuke enabled countries are sinners in measure propotional to the number of test conducted by them increasing the radiational levels that much number of times. which includes India & Pakistan as well.



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Why are we talking about Nukes only, why are we talking about safe gaurds in modern cities. We have had fiasco in Japan recently, Chernboyl and some mishaps in Untied States. Is there a safe gaurds in all the nuclear installation accross the world if so why are nuclear disaster happening time and again ?
 
What kinds of disaster Management do the developed countries have, with specific reference to Nuke mishaps and disaster Management in General, Look at some recent tragedies  like B.P Oil Spill, Kathrina, Tsunami, Japan Nuclear fiasco.
 
 
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The central issue her is not the technology but rather the reluctance by vested proprietors to exercise the due diligence of maintenance and modernization for the sake of maximizing profits. Neglect of the surrounding infrastructure because continuous costs eat away at the bottom line is the factor of corruption when it comes to technological operations. Disaster Management? Don't blame Nature but the fools who decide its comfortable to build on flood plains, barrier islands, or accept that cheap materials "will do" sufficiently for "most" situations.
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The French Nuclear Testing on Bikini Atol was wrong, pure and simple.
 
It's a wonder they didn't do it in Algeria.
 
But don't forget, Britain conducted it's Nuclear Tests in Australia, using Australian servicemen as guinea pigs to study the effects of radiation sickness-and all with the Australian governments permission of course.
 
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