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    Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 04:14
New York Daily News - Tuesday, 12 June 2018
Quote Will Obama run against Trump in 2020?
Barack Obama isn’t done with presidential business quite yet.
The former commander-in-chief has been quietly meeting with several Democrats mulling a run for the White House in 2020, giving advice on how to campaign in the age of President Trump, according to multiple reports.

For the full report-see link.

In another topic on this forum, we were told that a US President was barred from serving more than two terms by  virtue of the American Constitution.

The question was then raised if a president having served two terms,, sat out a term or more, could he/she then run again, and the answer was that they could not.

What then of the report from Now York Daily News dates 12 June?

Surely the journalist would know the Constitution's position on the topic, and the news outlet would have it's own legal adviser anyway.

So, what's going on?


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Hi toyomotor. I don't see a link
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

]Surely the journalist would know the Constitution's position on the topic, and the news outlet would have it's own legal adviser anyway.

So, what's going on?




Sounds like an op-ed? If so, its just an opinion based article, albeit.. One of wishful thinking. If not and its a legitimate article, than the journalists and the organizations they represent are morons!

If its the truth however, then my God! We are a stupid country full of idiots.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2018 at 02:13
Am I correct in my understanding of the rules covering re-election and maximum terms of eight years?
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You are correct.
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The difference traditionally between conservatives and liberals is that for conservatives, justice is a process which ends in a result that is the result of that process.  Therefore, if you follow the process, the result is just, regardless of whether you like it.  One can say, for example that OJ Simpson was acquitted, even if one disagrees with how the results came about, one can say he got his day in court, and that a jury "of his peers" acquitted him.  The process was fulfilled.  Liberals, however, tend to focus on the result, and so here, regardless of the rules, the process, we have someone promoting Barack Obama as a future candidate for President.  Barack Obama had his day in the sun, but some people are so taken in by his aura, they want a third helping.

I don't think people would necessarily be sympathetic to Obama running again.  Although if Obama did run again, Trump might be able to unite the democrats. (yes, I did say that right).

The democrats whined about W. Bush stealing Florida (and Nader ruining it for the Dems.) in 2000, but against Kerry in 2004, W. Bush won by a larger margin.  People were not sympathetic to Romney getting late into the race in 2016.  Romney wanted to do a Teddy Roosevelt.  Of course, Nixon is an exception loosing to JFK in 1960, and winning in 1968.  But in general, electors are not sympathetic to those who have had their time in the sun, and want to steal an extra 15 minutes of fame (to mix metaphors).
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Panther has confirmed that a President can only spend two terms in office.

It seems that the article I referred to was wild speculation or downright mischief.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Panther has confirmed that a President can only spend two terms in office.

It seems that the article I referred to was wild speculation or downright mischief.

Outlandish speculation and nonsense. No actual news reporting. The voters democrats appeal to are illegal immigrants, their legal relatives and college students. Obama left the democratic national committee bankrupt and scandalized. There are no outstanding leaders, all of the Clinton's associates want them to go away and the last chairperson Debbie Wassermann Schultz has more security scandals. You didn't this on CNN but of you follow every hyperlink in the article you will see that some actual journalists have been reporting on this for months. 

 Ex-Democratic National Committee head Debbie Wasserman Schultz said she intervened in a Pakistani land deal involving her thenIT aide Imran Awan, according to two House employees. The dispute came after Awan’s father was charged with fraud in relation to the deal, and the mysterious exertion of political influence resulted in Pakistani authorities instead targeting the elderly alleged victims, according to a local report.

And when a House Office of Inspector General cybersecurity investigation found that Awan had had “unauthorized access” to House servers, including the House Democratic Caucus’ shortly before the election, Wasserman Schultz became “frantic, not normal,” “making the rounds” to House officials in an attempt to kill the investigation, one House employee told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

Awan told people Wasserman Schultz chose the name he gave to his daughter, Leza — a Jewish name — and that the Florida congresswoman’s daughter regularly rode a horse that Awan kept at a boarding facility, sources with knowledge of the relationship told TheDCNF.

Wasserman Schultz cornered House Chief Administrative Officer Phil Kiko and called him a “f***ing Islamophobe,” saying “you will not so much as take away their parking spots,” the two House employees said Kiko told them.

The congresswoman also told Kiko she had invited Awan’s whole family to her daughter’s bat mitzvah and said she had “helped him with a land deal,” the sources said. A spokesman for Kiko declined to comment on this story.

The article details a series of people who say they were then subject to retaliation, including a woman named Bushra Bibi, identified as a widow who said “now Imran was threatening her with dire consequences.”

A third source, who’s familiar with Imran Awan, told TheDCNF that Awan recounted the intervention in the foreign criminal matter and that Awan said it was Wasserman Schultz who intervened. A fourth source — a fellow House IT aide — previously told TheDCNF that Awan said now-Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, chief of staff in the Obama White House for 2009 and most of 2010, was involved.

Dr. Zafar Iqbal, one of the alleged victims, told TheDCNF that “Imran came to Pakistan to get [his father] out of jail, since he had some [connections] in the Congress.”

Ashraf Awan’s business partner in the land deal, Rashid Minhas, told TheDCNF that the elder Awan gave a USB to a Pakistani senator who is a former head of a Pakistani intelligence agency, and that Imran claimed his IT position in Congress gave him the power to “change the U.S. president.” Minhas is in prison for an unrelated fraud charge.

RELATED: Report: DNC Aide Gave Pakistan the Power to ‘Change the US President’ with Stolen Information

On July 25, 2016, the House Inspector General notified the Committee on House Administration that investigators had detected major cybersecurity violations by the Awan family. Awan, his wife, two brothers, his brother’s wife, and even his elderly father were all being paid by various Democrats to manage their servers, with many of the members from Wasserman Schultz’s Florida.

The finding came at a critical time for Democrats: It was three days after WikiLeaks published the first emails from a hacked server on the DNC, setting the stage for Wasserman Schultz to lose her position as party chair and for Democrats to begin electioneering on a theme of Russian hacking.

In February 2017, Kiko and the House’s top law enforcement official, Paul Irving, outlined serious violations in a letter to the committee, and the family was banned from the House computer network. The letter also noted that the House Democratic Caucus server disappeared soon after the IG report named it as key evidence.

But Wasserman Schultz refused to fire Awan, with her spokesman saying he would work on “websites” and “printers,” which a cybersecurity expert previously told TheDCNF would presumably involve network access.

The congresswoman also added Awan’s wife, Hina Alvi, to her payroll in late 2016, after the investigation was in full swing, but before the family was banned from the network. Wasserman Schultz kept paying her until March 17 — 12 days after Alvi went to Pakistan with $12,000 in a suitcase.

Her actions so rattled the Administration Committee’s Democratic staff director, Jamie Fleet, that he planted a negative story in Politico that revealed Wasserman Schultz, his fellow Democrat, was continuing to pay the suspect, two House sources said. The story also said Wasserman Schultz had a “friendly personal relationship” with Awan and Alvi.

Fleet did not respond to a request for comment.

Kiko said in an April 2018 hearing spurred by the scandal that he was powerless to stop members who refused to fire a bad actor.

“Termination, now it’s the member’s responsibility … We can revoke everything but they could still be employed,” he said. He added that his office should have the authority to override members who would want to keep a rule-breaker on the government network.

Wasserman Schultz became fixated on finding out everything investigators knew about Awan, the House sources said. House investigators briefed her extensively with significant evidence about Awan and his family, including improper computer evidence.

Yet Wasserman Schultz said in a statement, “my office was provided no evidenceto indicate that laws had been broken, which over time, raised troubling concerns about due process, fair treatment and potential ethnic and religious profiling.”

Wasserman Schultz was defending someone investigators allegedly told her was suspected of cybersecurity violations, despite having resigned from her position as DNC head following a devastating hack during the 2016 election.

Despite Wasserman Schultz’s relationship with Awan, in April 2017 — two months after he was banned from the computer network — the IT aide appeared to put the congresswoman at risk. Capitol Police found a laptop with the username RepDWS in a phone booth at midnight along with a copy of Awan’s ID, a letter to prosecutors and a note that said “attorney client privilege,” according to a police report. Awan’s ID caused police to tie it to a criminal suspect and seize it, but the note kept them from looking at it.

That led to a tense exchange recorded on video in May 2017, in which Wasserman Schultz threatened the chief of the Capitol Police with “consequences” for not returning the laptop. When he refused, she mulled attempting to restructuring the Capitol Police’s entire board so that her committee would have more leverage over it.

House sources told TheDCNF these exchanges were only a public glimpse into numerous such interactions, which were frequently profane, with every official Wasserman Schultz could buttonhole. One source said she also went to the Department of Justice and “made a stink.”

Wasserman Schultz hired the House’s former top lawyer, Bill Pittard — who had recently quit the House — to try to block prosecutors from seeing evidence, TheDCNF previously reported. Awan obtained legal representation from two lawyers who began their careers in Miami — one with experience in espionage cases and the other a former aide to Hillary Clinton. Wasserman Schultz’ district includes much of Miami.

One of Awan’s lawyers told a judge he felt “very strongly” that prosecutors should not be able to look at the RepDWS laptop, mounting an attorney-client privilege argument. Prosecutors did not challenge the argument before the judge.

In August 2017, Imran and Hina were charged with four felony counts for gathering up money under allegedly false circumstances before wiring $300,000 to Pakistan in January. Prosecutors said the timing suggests that the Awans had learned of their investigation, which a spokeswoman for Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, AshLee Strong, told TheDCNF was supposed to be secret. Capitol Police “requested that the shared employees be allowed to continue to use their IT credentials until February [2017] because they didn’t want to tip off the employees,” she said.

Wasserman Schultz’s brother is a prosecutor in the same office handling the case and has tweeted about it.

Gowen said the wire transfer instead had to do with the land deal, which he told the Washington Examiner was “quickly souring.”

Wasserman Schultz did not respond to a request for comment.

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The relevance of your post is lost on me.

My only query was whether or not a president could serve more than two terms.

Does the term limit imposed refer only to consecutive terms-that is could he serve one term, miss one, serve another 4yrs, miss out and then serve again?
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

The relevance of your post is lost on me.

My only query was whether or not a president could serve more than two terms.

Does the term limit imposed refer only to consecutive terms-that is could he serve one term, miss one, serve another 4yrs, miss out and then serve again?

My post illustrates the ongoing disaster of Obama's political party and now the DOJ is hounding his former collusive, accessories.

POTUS gets 2 terms only and even a term lasting only 2 years would count as a term.

Knowingly electing a POTUS for one term is not usually the strategy, the effective policy route takes two terms.


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OK, but we weren't talking about Obama in that context, merely that the idea had been floated in the media of his running again, which I thought at the time was not permissible.

Note also that I wasn't taking part in the latest US TV Game Show, "Dissing Donny".


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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OK, but we weren't talking about Obama in that context, merely that the idea had been floated in the media of his running again, which I thought at the time was not permissible.

Note also that I wasn't taking part in the latest US TV Game Show, "Dissing Donny".



Well in speaking about Obama's "3rd term" outside of Fan Fiction, the media has to stretch the seriousness of the premise; as if the idea was anything other than pure fantasy. 

My point you should know this is going on. The dnc is being investigated for giving loony Arabs access to computer systems which are meant to be secured and dnc's alleged collusion with foreign actors in foreign governments, probably over foreign coffee.

Dissing Donny is cashing in on the Orange One. So are the media hacks.
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