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RankCountryGDP - per capita (PPP) (US$)
1Qatar179,000
2Liechtenstein141,100
3Luxembourg82,600
4Bermuda69,900
5Singapore62,100
6Jersey57,000
7Norway54,600
8Brunei51,600
9United Arab Emirates49,600
10Kuwait48,900
11United States47,200 Tongue
12Andorra46,700
13Hong Kong45,900
14Guernsey44,600
15Cayman Islands43,800
16Gibraltar43,000
17Switzerland42,600
18Australia41,000
19Austria40,400
20Bahrain40,300
21Netherlands40,300
22Canada39,400
23Sweden39,100
24British Virgin Islands38,500
25Iceland38,300
26Belgium37,800
27Ireland37,300
28Equatorial Guinea36,600
29Denmark36,600
30Greenland36,500
31San Marino36,200
32Taiwan35,700
33Germany35,700
34Finland35,400
35Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas)35,400
36Isle of Man35,000
37United Kingdom34,800 Cry
38Japan34,000
39France33,100
40Macau33,000
41Faroe Islands32,900
42Italy30,500
43Monaco30,000
44Korea, South30,000
45Israel29,800
46Greece29,600
47Spain29,400
48Bahamas, The28,700
49Slovenia28,200
50New Zealand27,700
51Czech Republic25,600
52Malta25,600
53Oman25,600
54Saudi Arabia24,200




Definition: This entry shows GDP on a purchasing power parity basis divided by population as of 1 July for the same year.

Source: CIA World Factbook - Unless otherwise noted, information in this page is accurate as of January 1, 2011

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What happened to your objection to 'snide remarks' Nothing could be more snide, more personal, more offensive than that. In fact I'm only nor deleting it to make the point.

You're not deleting it because you don't (as usual) understand it. The post to Dolphin is 100% honest. The fact that you are jumping to the wrong conclusions (as usual) speaks volumes. You only delete my posts when I have caught you out and embarrassed you. What's it like to have all that power? It's probably the most responsibility you have had in your entire life, and it shows.
 
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And by the way, while the formatting has improved, you are still not managing to distinguish your earlier comments that people have already responded to from new comments in response to those responses, so it is still difficult to follow.

For you perhaps.
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If you have 1 man with 99 dollars and 9 with 0.10, does that mean everyone has 10 dollars? 
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Originally posted by Windemere Windemere wrote:

The current political situation in Northern Ireland seems to be a combination of power-sharing between Britain and Ireland, along with local (Northern Irish) self-government, and this is the best arrangement. It isn't ever going to be possible to please everyone. No one wants to revive the Troubles hopefully, and the only solution is a compromise. 

The Northern Irish have about as much self-government as the brain dead Scots. Of course no one wants to relive the troubles, and the only solution is the British getting back to where they came from.
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

If you have 1 man with 99 dollars and 9 with 0.10, does that mean everyone has 10 dollars? 

Not where I come from.
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"Most Americans (58.5%) will spend at least one year below the poverty line..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States

Do these people have a GDP of
$47,200?
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Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:


The Northern Irish have about as much self-government as the brain dead Scots. Of course no one wants to relive the troubles, and the only solution is the British getting back to where they came from.

You are allowed to have your opinion, that's fine. But throwing a statement like that out there just indicates that you seem ill-equipped to propagate one, and I'm not being snide. The reality is more complex, either take it from me or do a little more research.






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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

"Most Americans (58.5%) will spend at least one year below the poverty line..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States

Do these people have a GDP of
$47,200?

That's the American poverty line.
I guess the UK has no people in the UK poverty line

What you make is taxed beyond belief. Then it is taxed again VAT. Then it is taxed again. You people pay taxes on taxes. Why do you think many successful Brits live overseas. I can hear it now. "yeah, but we have the NHS" The NHS has 3 civil servants for every 1 actually practicing medical care.  It can take a year or more to get surgery. Your NHS is a basket case.
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You are allowed to have your opinion, that's fine. But throwing a statement like that out there just indicates that you seem ill-equipped to propagate one, and I'm not being snide. The reality is more complex, either take it from me or do a little more research.

OK Dolphin, educate me. Show me where I'm wrong. And please, lets not bicker today.

The Northern Irish have more in the way of self-government than the Scots because =

They have control of their own military...nope.
They have control of Northern Ireland's money....nope..
They have control of more than the Scots because =






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Buckkskins...
You read your statistics like the devil reads the bible, and more members are trying to convey that fact to you.
 
Let me try to help you by providing this article about your own country, which also contains this little paragraph:
"In terms of types of financial wealth, the top one percent of households have 38.3% of all privately held stock, 60.6% of financial securities, and 62.4% of business equity. The top 10% have 80% to 90% of stocks, bonds, trust funds, and business equity, and over 75% of non-home real estate. Since financial wealth is what counts as far as the control of income-producing assets, we can say that just 10% of the people own the United States of America"
 
 
I don't know if you understand what this means, but it should make you think twice before you make statements like above.
If not, I'm sorry - then I cannot help you.
 
   
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My post above took this debate totally out of topic for which I'm sorry, so I have moved the following posts to this thread.
 
http://www.worldhistoria.com/wealth-distribution-in-the-usa_topic127366.html
 
Please continue the Ireland topic.
   
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The people in Northern Ireland in no way 'occupy' their own homes.

The 'British' do not occupy Northern Ireland they consider it part of their state.

When the majority of the population vote to leave the British state they will leave.

You can not occupy an area if its by the consent of the majority.
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Originally posted by Kevinmeath Kevinmeath wrote:

The people in Northern Ireland in no way 'occupy' their own homes.

The 'British' do not occupy Northern Ireland they consider it part of their state.

When the majority of the population vote to leave the British state they will leave.

You can not occupy an area if its by the consent of the majority.

The Ulster plantation was in the beginning of the 17th century. Those "foreigners" live there now since 400 years. A long, long time. I do agree with kevinmeath, those "foreigners" are meanwhile natives and if their will is to remain British, one has to accept this.
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It is up to 'the people' of the majority South to convince those in the North that they will be welcome and secure in the South.

Branding them 'occupiers' and not even admitting (as some don't) that they are Irish and blaming them for the misfortunes of the past is hardly likely to do that.
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Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:


<br ="Apple-interchange-newline">The inhabitants of Northern Ireland have in the past voted to remain British. There is only one thing wrong with that, free Ireland to the South was not invited to participate. It is after all Ireland. And it is after all inhabited by free Irishmen and Irishwomen. Those in the occupied North with their Scot/English names should be encouraged to stay, or if they want to be British, given a ticket for the ferry. Is it not time for the British to go on home, with these cousins of the Malvina islanders?

I wonder how long this one will last.



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Before you call him a man ?
How many seas must a white dove sail
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Yes, how many times must the cannon balls fly
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The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
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This debate will continue until such times that ALL of Ireland votes on the future of the six counties and Ireland is united.
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But ALL Ireland has voted on the future of the six counties and have overwhelming agreed that the 'North' will stay part of Britain until such a time as the majority in the counties want to change that.
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Originally posted by Kevinmeath Kevinmeath wrote:

But ALL Ireland has voted on the future of the six counties and have overwhelming agreed that the 'North' will stay part of Britain until such a time as the majority in the counties want to change that.


Do you mean an absolute majority of Counties, or just the Ulster counties?

The Republic wouldn't want to inherit it's own version of "The Troubles" so I suppose the six counties must agree.
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All Ireland, North and South voted on the Good Friday Agreement in which the British and Irish governments agreed that when a majority of people in the North wanted to join the Republic that would happen.

So all of Ireland has voted.
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Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:


Originally posted by Windemere Windemere wrote:



The current political situation in Northern Ireland seems to be a combination of power-sharing between Britain and Ireland, along with local (Northern Irish) self-government, and this is the best arrangement. It isn't ever going to be possible to please everyone. No one wants to revive the Troubles hopefully, and the only solution is a compromise. 


The Northern Irish have about as much self-government as the brain dead Scots. Of course no one wants to relive the troubles, and the only solution is the British getting back to where they came from.


I agree with your last comment on the British, however your post, as insulting as it is to Scots, is misdirected.

The British, imo, will leave Northern Ireland when they can be satisfied that the six counties won't deteriorate into Sectarian violence again.

Personally, I don't think it will. The Northern Irish Catholics will be happy to be re-united with their Republican brothers. The Protestants will soon come to realise that the Irish Republic couldn't care less what religion you are.

What MUST happen in the interim is for the various pro Republican groups, the IRA, the PIRA and the Real IRA, for example, to sit down with their opponents, the UDA, the UVF and the Loyal Orange Order, etc. and enter into a firm peace deal. There must be another amnesty on firearms and explosives so that neither side can be advantaged over the other.

Both sides must agree to punish those hot heads who wish to continue the Troubles.
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".........Personally, I don't think it will. The Northern Irish Catholics will be happy to be re-united with their Republican brothers. The Protestants will soon come to realise that the Irish Republic couldn't care less what religion you are.........."

The Northern Catholics may have a shock when they find out the cost of health care and almost everything else in the Republic compared to Britain.

They may also not be happy when their employer --the British state-- moves their job to Britain.

What do you mean that the Irish Republic couldn't care less what religion you are?

That is gradually happening now but was most certainly not the case in the past.
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Both Republican and Loyalist groups have been sitting down with each other for many years. Much longer than any peace talks and things. They have had many boozy parties dividing up the rights to controlling drugs sales , and other shady activities.

imo peace is more important than ownership of the land. The land doesn't care which people run about on it. LOL
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Originally posted by Kevinmeath Kevinmeath wrote:

".........Personally, I don't think it will. The Northern Irish Catholics will be happy to be re-united with their Republican brothers. The Protestants will soon come to realise that the Irish Republic couldn't care less what religion you are.........."

The Northern Catholics may have a shock when they find out the cost of health care and almost everything else in the Republic compared to Britain.

They may also not be happy when their employer --the British state-- moves their job to Britain.

What do you mean that the Irish Republic couldn't care less what religion you are?

That is gradually happening now but was most certainly not the case in the past.


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The Northern Catholics may have a shock when they find out the cost of health care and almost everything else in the Republic compared to Britain.

They may also not be happy when their employer --the British state-- moves their job to Britain.{QUOTE}

No, they may not, but it must be an Irish decision, not British.

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Just what I said. Protestants and Catholics have lived in harmony in the Republic for generations and the State doesn't get involved in the religious differences. Read An Phoblacht.


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Really have you any idea how powerful the Catholic Church was in Southern Ireland?

Sorry you need to read some Irish history.
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I know exactly how powerful the RC Church was in the Irish Republic.

It doesn't alter the fact that Prods and Catholics have lived side by side in harmony for generations.
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That is debateable to say the least and the Republic from the outset was a Catholic state.

Post independence what happened to the Protestant population of the Six counties?

accusations of 'ethnic cleansing' in Cork?

The Fethard-on-Sea boycott for instance.

Most Catholics don't know a 'Prod' in the south.
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Irish history is filled with examples of Protestants and Catholics discriminating against each other. The Fethard-on-Sea boycott is one of these, when a local Catholic priest organized a boycott against the local Protestant community. The boycott was condemned by the Irish government.
 
The Irish nationalists are never going to accept the 1920 division of Ireland into 2 parts, and the unionists are never going to accept seperation from the United Kingdom and union with the Irish republic. Still, thankfully, neither side wants a return to the violence and warfare of the Troubles of the 1970s, 80s, and 90s. The best solution is the present power-sharing arrangement in Northern Ireland between Ireland and Britain.


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The boycott was condemned by Dev Valera but what did he actually done to stop it?

Fethard-on-Sea was all because a Catholic women married a Protestant man and what faith the children were to be brought up in --have to be Catholics obviously.

I had to agree to that in comparatively recently.
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As I have said repeatedly, it's not the actual religion to which one belongs, but what the religion represents.

To the Irish Catholics, the Protestant Religion represents the many wrongs done to the Irish people over nearly a thousand years.

"We're on the one road
Sharing the one load
We're on the road to God knows where
We're on the one road
It may be the wrong road
But we're together now who cares
North men, South men, comrades all
Dublin, Belfast, Cork and Donegal
We're on the one road swinging along
Singing a soldier's song

Though we've had our troubles now and then
Now is the time to make them up again
Sure aren't we all Irish anyhow
Now is the time to step together now

(Chorus repeat)

Tinker, tailor, every mother's son
Butcher, baker shouldering his gun
Rich man, poor man, every man in line
All together just like Old Land Syne

(Chorus repeat)

Night is darkest just before the dawn
From dissention Ireland is reborn
Soon we'll all be United Irishmen
Make our land a Nation Once Again
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