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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Look at the defnition Al Jassus gave.

I am not arguing, I was adding information.  If you deny the presence of Medians and Parthians in Azerbaijan then there is nothing I can do for you.  


This is his post: "Region of Azerbaijan, according to Arab geographers began fro The Kura river (Barda) to Zanjan east and from the mountains of Dagestan north to Kurdistan from the South."

That is certainly including Azerbaijan proper aswell, and your talking about Medeans and Parthians in whole region of Azerbaijan according to Al-Jassas post!

This is Parthia and Median empie, both at their height.

Of course if there is something I don't know or any evidence, then please tell me.








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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:


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Media

 ancient region, Iran

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ancient country of northwestern Iran, generally corresponding to the modern regions of Azerbaijan, Kurdistan, and parts of Kermanshah. Media first appears in the texts of the Assyrian king Shalmaneser III (858–824 bc), in which peoples of the land of “Mada” are recorded. The inhabitants came to be known as Medes.

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I am aware of a certain disregard for academia amongst Rep. Azerbaijani hyper nationalists.  And that trait is certainly manifest in you.


That is referring to Azerbaijan region of Iran as you see. LOL. And no one is denying Iranian presence in Iranian Azerbaijan before Oghuz Turks, I m well aware of that.


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Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

That is referring to Azerbaijan region of Iran as you see. LOL. And no one is denying Iranian presence in Iranian Azerbaijan before Oghuz Turks, I m well aware of that.
 
But Emil you said this:
 
Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

Because like explained, there has never been Median or Parthian presence in any regions of Azerbaijan proper, not even South of it as you mentioned.

As to the rest of what you saidMedeans and Parthians were people who formed empires. 
 
What we know as the Persian Empire of Cyrus the Great was formed when Cyrus united the Medians and the Persians - this was the result:
 
 
The Medians did not disappear - they were equal to the Persians.  And it is a definite fact that they moved into the Caucasus with the Persians.  Because Persians, Medians and Scythians were the main forces in this Persian Empire's armies.
 
As for the Parthians:  They are originally from North East Iran and the language of modern Persian is largely derived from their tongue.   The Parthian Empire was usurped by the Sassanian Persians.
 
The Sassanian Persians Conquered all of the Caucasus and Derbent (Darband) is a fortress that they built:
 
 
Again it is undoubted that during the Sassanid period that Parthians moved into the Caucasus. The Parthians were the biggest population of NW Iran until Timurleng's invasion and massacres.
 
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I meant the south of Azerbaijan proper.

Again, where are you sources?

Is there any doubts that the people of modern Azerbaijan proper prior to the Turkic settlement were Caucasian Albans? No, I don't think so.

And there were no Parthians or Medeans that moved there with Sassanids. Man your funny. LOL

Other then transfering some few Tats into Caucasus (thats why we have Tats in Azerbaija now), Sassanids didn't changed anything ethnic in Caucasus.

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Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

I meant the south of Azerbaijan proper.
 
That's not what you said, you actually emphasised, "not even south of it [Azerbaijan proper]". 
 
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Again, where are you sources?

Is there any doubts that the people of modern Azerbaijan proper prior to the Turkic settlement were Caucasian Albans? No, I don't think so.

And there were no Parthians or Medeans that moved there with Sassanids. Man your funny. LOL

Other then transfering some few Tats into Caucasus (thats why we have Tats in Azerbaija now), Sassanids didn't changed anything ethnic in Caucasus.

 
Caucasian Albanians?  Where are they now?  There is no sign of them.  You're an Azeri Turk, not a Caucasian Albanian. They were not the only people in the Caucasus. Tats and Talysh were very populace before the Oghuz and Tatars arrived, both in Iranian Azerbaijan and Rep Azerbaijan.  In fact many were Turkicised.  Have you ever heard of the Zaza? They are descended from Parthians too.  They live in Turkey so it just shows you how far the Parthians actually migrated.  And Caucasus is much closer than the region of Turkey they live in.  Zaza language has the same root as Tati and Talyshi - Parthian.
 
 


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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

I meant the south of Azerbaijan proper.

Again, where are you sources?

Is there any doubts that the people of modern Azerbaijan proper prior to the Turkic settlement were Caucasian Albans? No, I don't think so.

And there were no Parthians or Medeans that moved there with Sassanids. Man your funny. LOL

Other then transfering some few Tats into Caucasus (thats why we have Tats in Azerbaija now), Sassanids didn't changed anything ethnic in Caucasus.

 
Caucasian Albanians?  Where are they now?  There is no sign of them.  They were not the only people in the Caucasus. Tats and Talysh were much more populace before the Oghuz and Tatars arrived.  in fact many were Turkicised.  Have you ever heard of the Zaza? They are descended from Parthians too.  They live in Turkey so it just shows you how far the Parthians actually migrated.  And Caucasus is much closer than the region of Turkey they live in.  Zaza language has the same root as Tati and Talyshi - Parthian.
 
 


No sign of them? Unlucky post, Zagros.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udi_people

Old Alban Church "Kish" in Azerbaijan....



The Alban script found in town of Barda.



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Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

Actually, look at this, according to you Azerbaijan didn't existed to north of Araxes before 1918 but it did for the Arabs.

Again, don't tell us your Armenians lies here please and wich have been supported and publicized by Iranian nationalists against our existence.

In one of your maps, "Azerbaijan" is labeled where Georgia is today. Its obvious that map is inaccurate or exaggerated. The point remains that there were no states or peoples north of the Arax that called themselves "Azeri". Plus, most maps of the Islamic empire don't even refer to that region as Azerbaijan:
 
 
 
Its also important to note that during the Islamic Caliphate, Armenia was an autonomous emirate, ruled by an Armenian prince, and the lands of this emirate covered most of the transcaucasus, including Albania/Arran, or as you prefer to call it, "Azerbaijan": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Armenia
 
 
Originally posted by AyKurt AyKurt wrote:

As to what they were called, we find the same problem throughout the Turkic world.  Turks rarely have common ethnic names.  They most likely identified with their family, clan and tribe and those would be their strongest identifiers.  Oghuz, Turk, and after Islamic conversions Turkmen, were names they would have been familiar with.  Oghuz began to be replaced with Turk.  Prior to the Ottoman empire Turkish national identity was tribal and depended on what beylik or confederation those tribes aligned themselves with.  The Akkoyunlu for example covered most of present day Eastern Turkey, Caucasus and Western Iran.  But Akkoyunlu was not an ethnic national name either but a political entity that also included Kurdish tribes among others.
 
Yes, thank you.
 
 
Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

In fact, I could say that its more of a insult calling us that way, at least according to them.
 
Just so you know, I don't use Tatar as an insult, its just a name which denotes some Turkic groups. I use this term because Azeris are the people of Azerbaijan (in Iran), and Tatars of the transcaucasus are NOT the same people as Azeris, despite what Pan-Turk "historians" from Baku would have us believe. In order to correct the historical and geographical sabotage by Pan-Turkists in Baku, I have made it a point to refer to the Turks of Republic of Azerbaijan as Tatars, for reasons of convenience and historical/geographical accuracy. Sometimes I even refer to them as Turks or Oghuz. But my main point is, they are not "Azeris", because Azerbaijan/Atrpatakan/Adrbedagan has been an Iranian land with self-described Iranians living there for thousands of years.
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So great, we agree: the Udi people are descended from Caucasian Albanians and the Tats and Talysh are descended from Parthians, all of them live in Rep Azerbaijan and most of them were killed, fled or were Turkicised - only a few remain. 

You deny that the Parthians or Medians were ever in the Caucasus, Tats and Talysh prove you wrong. 
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Yes, Armenian survival you are right in a historical context: but I can tell you there isn't much difference between the Azeri Turks of Baku or the ones in Tabriz, they both have very mixed backgrounds which includes Caucasian, Iranic, Armenian, Tatar, Oghuz and more - but the overriding fact is that they all today have a common Azeri Turk identity. 



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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

You're an Azeri Turk, not a Caucasian Albanian.
 
 


Who said so, I consider myself Turkic first of all. All I m saying to you is that Caucasian Albans were the main nation prior to Turkic settlement, with all evidences showing it. While you show me no evidence what so ever about your claims. I already proved you that Parthians and Medians were never in this territorities. Where does it says that Tats and Talysh are Parthian or Median? The story of Tats in Azerbaijan goes back to Sassanids, they transfered these people form Southern Persia and the region they located these people were intresting, in middle of Azerbaijan. They are no locals at all and they were and are in small numbers, we are the ones who made the impact on them . Talyshs are locals yes, but they live in very far south Azerbaijan and don't even have any impact farther north then Lenkeran. So it would be very absurd to claim any Talish impact.
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Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival ArmenianSurvival wrote:

 
Just so you know, I don't use Tatar as an insult, its just a name which denotes some Turkic groups. I use this term because Azeris are the people of Azerbaijan (in Iran), and Tatars of the transcaucasus are NOT the same people as Azeris, despite what Pan-Turk "historians" from Baku would have us believe. In order to correct the historical and geographical sabotage by Pan-Turkists in Baku, I have made it a point to refer to the Turks of Republic of Azerbaijan as Tatars, for reasons of convenience and historical/geographical accuracy. Sometimes I even refer to them as Turks or Oghuz. But my main point is, they are not "Azeris", because Azerbaijan/Atrpatakan/Adrbedagan has been an Iranian land with self-described Iranians living there for thousands of years.


How are we not the same people? Are you aware of what your saying?

Fair enough, we will not change the name of our country or ethnicity just because of some peopls theory. Azerbaijan Republic will exist forever.
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Zagros, if you have been to Baku and Tabriz I will take your word for it. However, you can even argue Armenians and Georgians are not much different (adjacent lands, similar alphabets, similar architecture, similar cultural habits) but this doesn't mean they are the same people or share the same history in a national context. Likewise, I doubt Iranian Azeris would like to be part of a country called "Azerbaijan". In fact, I heard at one point they wanted to change their region's name to "Azadistan" in order to deal a blow to Pan-Turkists in Baku who have their eyes set on carving out Azerbaijan from Iran.

 
Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

How are we not the same people?
 
Damn me, I keep forgetting to include "prior to 1918". Tatars now form the majority north of the Arax due to the rapid Turkification which took place when Pan-Turkic armies marched through the transcaucasus in 1918. They did this in order to set up a Pan-Turkic satellite state whose goal would be to annex Iranian Azerbaijan, so that Turks could rule from Istanbul to the walls of China. Its the same reason they massacred and Turkified local Armenians and Caucasian tribes throughout this period. So you see, this demographic was created artificially and quite recently.
 
Thats why many Tatars today phenotypically resemble your average Caucasian.
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Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival ArmenianSurvival wrote:

Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

How are we not the same people?
 
Damn me, I keep forgetting to include "prior to 1918". Tatars now form the majority north of the Arax due to the rapid Turkification which took place when Pan-Turkic armies marched through the transcaucasus in 1918. They did this in order to set up a Pan-Turkic satellite state whose goal would be to annex Iranian Azerbaijan, so that Turks could rule from Istanbul to the walls of China. Its the same reason they massacred and Turkified local Armenians and Caucasian tribes throughout this period. So you see, this demographic was created artificially and quite recently.
 
Thats why many Tatars today phenotypically resemble your average Caucasian.


The appereance has much to do with geographical location then anything else, thats why an Azeri from Mughan steppes are vastly different then an Highlander Azeri near Dagestan. Let alone talking about Azeris in Iran.

Yeah, we are the Evil Tatars. We killed and turned everyone into Tatars with our magic sticks and then changed the name into Azeris. LOL




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The poll's options are weird. Azeris are both Caucasians and Turks.
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Hello to you all
 
Well since I spiced the discussion I must explain what I said.
 
First, about the borders. The borders are those mentioned by Yaqut (13th century) and Al-Baladhuri (9th century). For Armenia the situation is a bit complex since there are four Armenias according to Arab administrative and geographic custom:
Armenia I: This is what was then known as Arran, the capital is Tbilisi.
Armenia II:This is roughly Nagorno-Karabagh and the great lakes district.
Armenia III: Erzurum and its region including Trabzon.
Armenia IV: Somostoa.
 
The last three were settled and directly ruled from the beginning but the first was the last to be conquered. As it can be seen much of current Azerbaijan is not considered part of this. It was part of either Gilan or the independent city of Derbent.
 
Second, there was a large Turkish presence in Azerbaijan/Armenia well before the conquests. The Khazars ruled the area (especially Georgia) and khazars were settlers there. The area of todays Azerbaijan was a magnate for migrant because its microclimate made it extremely fertile and suitable for agriculture. There was a large Persian community as well as natives and Turks. In the 11th century the official as well as street language was Persian and Armenian.
 
Third, The current turkish population is actually descendent of the Konyolu dynasties (the kara one I think) which migrated in the 14th century. Armenian was considered a "christian" language and there is proof that muslims were forbidden from speaking it after the conquest. This is why Armenian language died when Armenians converted.
 
Finally, genetic evidence showed clearly that Armenians and Azeris are cousins. The BBC ran a story a while ago about this.
 
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I found one.

Arran comprises most of modern day Azerbaijan proper + Armenia. However, it excludes north-western Azerbaijan, might be conqured by the Georgian kingdom at that time...It also excludes Nakhchevan enclave and southern Armenia while includes little part below Araxes that lies within modern day Iran.

Armenia lies within modern day Turkey.







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The map is totally wrong.
 
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Do you have a better one?


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Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

So you might also mistake on your explanation about the population. I don't think we had Armenians and Persians here or that they were official languagues. But your right about the Khazar part....
 
Historically there were periods when Armenia dominated substantial parts of the territory of modern Azerbajian. So, Armenian presence in the region goes to the times BC. It's not surprising that Gutis the descendants of Caucaisan Albanians feel a close connection to Armenians.
 
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Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

I found one.

Arran comprises most of modern day Azerbaijan proper + Armenia. However, it excludes north-western Azerbaijan, might be conqured by the Georgian kingdom at that time...It also excludes Nakhchevan enclave and southern Armenia while includes little part below Araxes that lies within modern day Iran.

Armenia lies within modern day Turkey.


Even your map tell us about ArranSmile
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Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

The map is totally wrong.
 
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Can you tell us why? I mean which part of the map is wrong according to you?
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Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival ArmenianSurvival wrote:

Zagros, if you have been to Baku and Tabriz I will take your word for it. However, you can even argue Armenians and Georgians are not much different (adjacent lands, similar alphabets, similar architecture, similar cultural habits) but this doesn't mean they are the same people or share the same history in a national context. Likewise, I doubt Iranian Azeris would like to be part of a country called "Azerbaijan". In fact, I heard at one point they wanted to change their region's name to "Azadistan" in order to deal a blow to Pan-Turkists in Baku who have their eyes set on carving out Azerbaijan from Iran.

 


The difference between them is that the Iranian ones can also speak Persian, that is the only difference.  I have been to neither Tabriz nor Baku, but my father has.  He served in Tabriz in the Imperial Army and then fled to the Soviet Union after the revolution because he was a member of Fedayeen Khalq (communist) and stopped off in Baku on the way to West Germany.  He said it was just like being in Tabriz culturally.

I didn't say Iranian Azeris want to join Rep. of Azerbaijan... far from it.  Actually there is a net emigration from Rep Azerbaijan of poor Azeris to Iran.  The Aliev dynasty is blatantly elitist and has alienated millions of Azeris. 

"Azadistan" - that is true: when the Imperial Russians changed the name of Arran to Azerbaijan (early 1900s) they had designs on Iranian Azerbaijan (because the people were the same ethnicity they took advantage with a name change as well), so to create tension they called Arran Azerbaijan. 

Here's a little more on Azadistan:
http://flagspot.net/flags/ir_azad.html

Gilan Soviet Republic and Azadistan in Azerbaijan
http://www.iran-bulletin.org/ibMEF-2-completed/TheGilan%20Republic.htm


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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival ArmenianSurvival wrote:

Zagros, if you have been to Baku and Tabriz I will take your word for it. However, you can even argue Armenians and Georgians are not much different (adjacent lands, similar alphabets, similar architecture, similar cultural habits) but this doesn't mean they are the same people or share the same history in a national context. Likewise, I doubt Iranian Azeris would like to be part of a country called "Azerbaijan". In fact, I heard at one point they wanted to change their region's name to "Azadistan" in order to deal a blow to Pan-Turkists in Baku who have their eyes set on carving out Azerbaijan from Iran.

 


The difference between them is that the Iranian ones can also speak Persian, that is the only difference.  I have been to neither Tabriz nor Baku, but my father has.  He served in Tabriz in the Imperial Army and then fled to the Soviet Union after the revolution because he was a member of Fedayeen Khalq (communist) and stopped off in Baku on the way to West Germany.  He said it was just like being in Tabriz culturally.

I didn't say Iranian Azeris want to join Rep. of Azerbaijan... far from it.  Actually there is a net emigration from Rep Azerbaijan of poor Azeris to Iran.  The Aliev dynasty is blatantly elitist and has alienated millions of Azeris.  "Azadistan" - that is true: when the Imperial Russians changed the name of Arran to Azerbaijan (early 1900s) they had designs on Iranian Azerbaijan (because the people were the same ethnicity they took advantage with a name change as well), so to create tension they called Arran Azerbaijan. 


We are same people, but culturally its vastly different, especially the Urban population.

In Baku, you would feel like Eastern Europe. In Tabriz, I m sure its not like that, right? Ah, you also forgot that we can speak Russian. LOL

That was the lamest thing I've ever heard Zagros, sorry. Why would anyone migrate to Iran from Azerbaijan? And how can one actually do something there or find close contacts for business and not to mention its a vastly different world then Azerbaijan but above all, what can Iran have to offer?.... If anyone wants to migrate from Azerbaijan, then they migrate to Russia. However, you maybe still in 90s....Azerbaijans economy have growed rapidly, unemployment rate below 10%. Its Iranians coming to Azerbaijan because they can be free here.......

Yeah, be aware, the Evil Tatars already watch you. Confused

Who told you that Azerbaijan have any intentions to claim Azerbaijan region of Iran? If anything happens, then it will be only by the will of people there.




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Why don't you read my post and stop acting like a moron? I was talking about the USSR and Czarist Russia's "intentions to take Azerbaijan region of Iran".
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Why don't you read my post and stop acting like a moron? I was talking about the USSR and Czarist Russia's "intentions to take Azerbaijan region of Iran".


Soviet Union alread had invaded Tebriz once, so why they retread? Surely not because they feared Iran. Wink

If they wanted a such thing, they would.




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You can't occupy a country for long if the people don't want you there.  So you create myths and lies about their identity.  After 1945 Stalin wanted to create Soviet states in Kurdistan and Azerbaijan of Iran but the Americans told him to get out.  I understand that I badly bruised your ego before and it seems like you will continue to act like a 12 year old so... This is my very last post directed at you. 

Goodbye.


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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

You can't occupy a country for long if the people don't want you there.  So you create myths and lies about their identity.  After 1945 Stalin wanted to create Soviet states in Kurdistan and Azerbaijan of Iran but the Americans told him to get out.  I understand that I badly bruised your ego before and it seems like you will continue to act like a 12 year old so... This is my very last post directed at you.  I have not encountered such a moronic person for a long time on this forum.  In fact, you are quite possibly the worst.

Goodbye.


I remember watching on TV, they were hailing the incoming Soviet forces. They even had a short lived Republic as we know, why you lie.

Fair enough, if you can't backup what your saying.




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One very basic question for an absolute novice: are "Azeris" and "Caucasian Tatars" the same people or are they different?
 
Nobody has yet answered the questions as to what the Azeris called themselves in Imperial Russia. Did they also call themselves Tatars?
 
 
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Originally posted by calvo calvo wrote:

One very basic question for an absolute novice: are "Azeris" and "Caucasian Tatars" the same people or are they different?
 
 


Caucasian Tatars: Turks of Azerbaijan (Caucasus).





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