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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Originally posted by Bureus Bureus wrote:

Actually, Azeris are Vikings as Heyerdahl claimed. Æsir-baijan. No, probably they are of native Caucasian stock with some Oghuz input.


Historical Azerbaijan (provinces in modern NW Iran) is not in the Caucasus and neither is most of historical Arran (modern Rep. Azerbaijan). The Turkmen influence I believe is a little more significant than just "some" although nowhere near as complete or exaggerated as some might claim.  Genetic studies, at least of Azeri Turks in Iran not sure about the Rep., place them most closely, surprise surprise, with their Iranian compatriots.



You *deleted* don’t affiliate azeris with persians, azeris are oguz, they ‘are your ancestors, they are fraction of parthians , massagetians, scyths, even their great king Kay-Oguz you ascribe to persians, believe me soon everything will be put in right place, you *deleted* will occupy your duly low place


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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Originally posted by Bureus Bureus wrote:

Actually, Azeris are Vikings as Heyerdahl claimed. Æsir-baijan. No, probably they are of native Caucasian stock with some Oghuz input.


Historical Azerbaijan (provinces in modern NW Iran) is not in the Caucasus and neither is most of historical Arran (modern Rep. Azerbaijan). The Turkmen influence I believe is a little more significant than just "some" although nowhere near as complete or exaggerated as some might claim.  Genetic studies, at least of Azeri Turks in Iran not sure about the Rep., place them most closely, surprise surprise, with their Iranian compatriots.
Zagros I know this is off topic, but what part of NW London are you from? You see I thought I might ask you directly.
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Originally posted by Rugila Rugila wrote:

Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Originally posted by Bureus Bureus wrote:

Actually, Azeris are Vikings as Heyerdahl claimed. Æsir-baijan. No, probably they are of native Caucasian stock with some Oghuz input.


Historical Azerbaijan (provinces in modern NW Iran) is not in the Caucasus and neither is most of historical Arran (modern Rep. Azerbaijan). The Turkmen influence I believe is a little more significant than just "some" although nowhere near as complete or exaggerated as some might claim.  Genetic studies, at least of Azeri Turks in Iran not sure about the Rep., place them most closely, surprise surprise, with their Iranian compatriots.



You *deleted* don’t affiliate azeris with persians, azeris are oguz, they ‘are your ancestors, they are fraction of parthians , massagetians, scyths, even their great king Kay-Oguz you ascribe to persians, believe me soon everything will be put in right place, you *deleted* will occupy your duly low place


Funny how the mighty Oghuz warrior race would use the word Azer for their demonym and land since it is a Persian word. 


Edited by Northman - 27 Jul 2012 at 05:33
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Originally posted by jjmuneer jjmuneer wrote:

Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Originally posted by Bureus Bureus wrote:

Actually, Azeris are Vikings as Heyerdahl claimed. Æsir-baijan. No, probably they are of native Caucasian stock with some Oghuz input.


Historical Azerbaijan (provinces in modern NW Iran) is not in the Caucasus and neither is most of historical Arran (modern Rep. Azerbaijan). The Turkmen influence I believe is a little more significant than just "some" although nowhere near as complete or exaggerated as some might claim.  Genetic studies, at least of Azeri Turks in Iran not sure about the Rep., place them most closely, surprise surprise, with their Iranian compatriots.
Zagros I know this is off topic, but what part of NW London are you from? You see I thought I might ask you directly.


I live in Brentford, near South Ealing, but will be moving soon.  What do you want to ask me directly?


Edited by Zagros - 27 Jul 2012 at 03:03
"There was glory in pissing, Corabb decided as he watched the stream curve out and make that familiar but unique sound as it hit the ground." So true.
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@ Rugila.
 
You have used an expression / calling names towards another member which is strichtly against the Code of Conduct.
 
Given your newbie status, I shall not take this any further at this time, than to give you an unofficial warning. Please refrain from such behavior in the future.
 
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Historical Azerbaijan (provinces in modern NW Iran) is not in the Caucasus and neither is most of historical Arran (modern Rep. Azerbaijan). The Turkmen influence I believe is a little more significant than just "some" although nowhere near as complete or exaggerated as some might claim.  Genetic studies, at least of Azeri Turks in Iran not sure about the Rep., place them most closely, surprise surprise, with their Iranian compatriots.


You might want to update your basic geographic knowledge. Republic of Azerbaijan are situated in a region known as Southern Caucasus, and part of its territority are also situated to the north of big Caucasus ridge, which is known as north Caucasus. Besides, there are over 300 thousand ethnic Azeris in Georgia, and 150 thousand in Dagestan, specially in city of Derbent.

Also, "Arran" are Arabized form of Albania (Caucasian Albania) but its usage was obsolote long ago and was only used to designate western-half of Azerbaijan, but like said its usage have long been obsolote. There is nothing as historical Azerbaijan, as a geographical term, Azerbaijan scratches from Derbent to Hamadan.

The Turkoman or Oghuz influence ARE the strongest element, after that other elements probably would come. I don't know how many times I have to mention it, but there is nothing as single "Azeri" ethnicity, but several tribe/clans which are of Oghuz origin that makes-up the ethnicity we know as Azerbaijani Turks. Even Great Soviet Encylopedia writes: "Ayrim, Padar, Qaradaghli, Qarapapakh, Shahsevens are groups which forms Azerbaijani ethnicity." These are just some of mentioned tribes, there are much more, like Afshars whom are one of the most numerious in numbers.

Yeah, if we were to believe these "genetic studies" then Azeri Turks to north and south of Araz river are different peoples. So please. LOL




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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:



Funny how the mighty Oghuz warrior race would use the word Azer for their demonym and land since it is a Persian word. 


They didn't, "Azari" demonym was adopted by Reza Shah as part of wider assimilation policy, which included changing person names and place names among other things.

Traditionally, population of Azerbaijan was known as Turkoman, later Turk, and non-Turk minorities just by their own names.

But I guess it would not make sense to change it when it has already been established. Besides, in Republic of Azerbaijan its Azerbaijani for demonym, ethnicity and language and not "Azeri".

When Azerbaijan gained its independence again in 1991, it was stated in constitution that language are Turk, aswell are the ethnic designation. But after long debates, it was changed to Azerbaijani. 1: It was already used in Turkey. 2: It could cause "discrimination" against ethnic minorities, as Azerbaijani term are applied to all of citizens of the Republic.
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As you say there is no Azerbaijani ethnicity, it is just a national demonym for the modern republic. My question was to that Turk moron who swore at me. There is nothing more special than anybody else about Azerbaijanis or Turks.  To pretend its people do not share history and genetics with their neighbours is just deluded or cynical hyper nationalist revisionism.
"There was glory in pissing, Corabb decided as he watched the stream curve out and make that familiar but unique sound as it hit the ground." So true.
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Georgians are our geographical neighbours yet we don't share any history or genetics with them. Its not like Azeri Turks are actually totally surrounded by Persians or "Iranics" geographically. Confused


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The historical relationship between Georgia and Azerbaijan is nothing like as intertwined as that between Iran and Azerbaijan, mostly because they kept and preserved their Christian identity, whereas Iran and Azerbaijan have well documented Zaroastrian roots, then Sunni, then Shia and have been joined as one for most of history, being split only in 1812 where North Azerbaijan became Russified to an extent, although lots of people have families north and south of the Aras today.  Religion is the biggest barrier and conduit for intermarriage which continued and continues long after Turkification of the region.

I love this vision some Kurds and Turks from outside Iran have that their respective ethnicities live in isolated, repressed enclaves without any civil interaction with the rest of Iran and have the most bitter hatred of these big bad mythical Persians they describe.   Such Persians don't exist.  There is only a government, dominated by Turks it has to be said, with a national language of Persian who press their own Islamo-Shiite agenda.




Edited by Zagros - 18 Aug 2012 at 04:17
"There was glory in pissing, Corabb decided as he watched the stream curve out and make that familiar but unique sound as it hit the ground." So true.
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What kind of logic is that? Are we also related to stone-age people that lived in Azerbaijan? "Well documenter Zoroastrian roots"?

What you talk about btw are cultural relations, not genetical. You should be able to distinguish between the two.

"although lots of people have families north and south of the Aras today"

Yes, with fellow ethnic Azeris. Whats the relation with Persians?


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The medieval Azerbaijani poet Fuzuli of Oghuz Bayat origin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuz%C3%BBl%C3%AE


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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

There is only a government, dominated by Turks it has to be said


Yes, when it doesn't suit you, its Turks.
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