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    Posted: 06 Oct 2016 at 01:46
Sorry, but this is not a completely new topic.  Just out of interest, I was looking for any information about the connection between the Persian word "bahádur" (بهادر), meaning "valiant" and the Polish word "bohater" meaning hero.  I chanced upon a previous discussion, referring to the Scythian and Sarmatian origins of the Slavs, which led me to register.  I had already picked up on several word similarities such as the Polish "jestem" and the Persian "hastam"  both meaning "I am".

I am fluent in Polish but only know a few Persian words.  My interest in Persian stems from my religious allegiance to the Bahá'í Faith, the sacred writings of which were originally in Persian and Arabic.  I would like to create a glossary of Polish and Persian words that are related.  So if there are any bilingual people on this forum who could contribute to such a list, it would make this old lady very happy! Big smile      


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In an "Ancient Origins" artical, it's suggested that at some stage in the past there was a mega culture which held sway world wide. Evidence of this, at least in part, was the use of the same, or very similar, words used around the world in almost one million examples.

See http://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion-guest-authors/was-tamana-universal-civilization-mankind-great-flood-006816

entitled "Was Tamana a Universal Culture".

I don't think I'm going off thread with this.




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List of English words of Persian origin

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Persian_origin

The Impact of Iranian Culture and Language in Poland

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Culture/Iranian_culture_poland.htm


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Iwona Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 08:55
Thanks to both Toyomotor and Wolfhnd for the suggested website links.  I shall check them out before  (or if!) I comment further.  Approve

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I have just found an article on Polish/Iranian language connections stemming from about 2000 BC.
http://www.kwartjez.amu.edu.pl/teksty/teksty2011_3_7/Jarmoszko.pdf
It's all in Polish, but I'll translate the salient points just in case anyone is interested.  Geek
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Re previously mentioned http://www.kwartjez.amu.edu.pl/teksty/teksty2011_3_7/Jarmoszko.pdf, I have just spent a few hours  Dead doing a translation of salient points (far too long to post here anyway) when I found this English summary at the end of the doc:
 The Polish-Iranian language heritage, or the pegs on which to hang the myth about the Sarmatian roots of Polish in the light of historical-comparative linguistics

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Pervasive in the seventeenth century and based upon the delineation of the world put forward by the classical authors, the notion of Sarmatism or Sarmatianism was a pivotal element in the development of Polish national identity.  It was postulated that Polish nobility descended from the Scythians, specifically from the Sarmatians, a tribe with Iranian origins inhabiting the north coast of the Black Sea in the antiquity.  The Poles were supposed to have inherited such attributes as hospitality, gallantry and the love of freedom from their mythical ancestors.  The paper starts with an overview of the languages belonging to the Iranian language family, following with a broadly defined relationship between the Iranian languages and the Proto-Slavonic languages, as well as the Polish language at a later stage.  The main idea of the paper is to revise the Sarmatian ideology from a linguistic point of view in a thorough manner.  The conclusions point to the fact that the foundations of Sarmatism were not linguistic in nature, but rather stemmed from the erroneous interpretation of historical sources.  There are also additional, less clear factors to consider, for example features typical for Polish heraldry which may bear some connection to Sarmatian tamgas.

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