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    Posted: 13 Nov 2011 at 14:34
Having overloaded somewhat on caffeine last night I was lying in bed flicking through channels on TV and Signs with Mel Gibson was on BBC 1.   For those of you who've not seen the film it's about crop circles and various signs etc. culminating in an alien raid on Earth, I enjoyed it for some of the humour alone.  Anyway, the aliens in this movie reflect the descriptions given by abduction freaks and attention seekers.

What's never made sense to me about this morphology is that it is humanoid which means that it evolved from a primate ancestor like us, standing upright, big head, two eyes, five fingers, etc.  Now the problem with this is obviously then that the morphology is not alien at all proving abductee claims to be utter tosh, if any proof was ever needed.
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Unbelievable Zagros!
This morning when I woke up that movie came to my mind and now I am opening WH and see this thread!

Now, about the morphology. Our body helps us in many things, especially in handling tools. All primates are capable of handling tools, however many smart animals on earth have a handicap e.g dolphins. Remember that organic lifeforms develop based on their needs, so similar morphology can theoretically develop interplanetary.

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Conclusive proof then. One of the themes from that film was that everything happens for a reason; there's no such thing as chance.

On morphology, they don't have to be upright, or have four limbs to have opposable thumbs, not even five fingers and they would have had to come from a whole class of animal with a very similar evolutionary trajectory to mammals since in essence all mammals have the same skeletal components.  The humanoid form is given because it is simply a reflection of ourselves as the archetypal intelligent beings.  This form actually derives from the Roswell Incident hoax.


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Shades of Karl Sagan! Everyone really knows what "aliens" truly look like and they are usually found just right across the border!Tongue In essence, to muse about "extraterrestrials" is merely an exercise in "fear transference" and projections of our own nightmares with respect to the possibility that all the laws of time and astro-physics will be violated so as to bring upon us a celestial visitation disassociated from religious phenomena. Beware the Carbonoids!Shocked

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375203/The-memo-proves-aliens-landed-Roswell--released-online-FBI.html
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Zagros, do you know James White's Sector General series? that has the widest selection of extra-territorial shapes and sizes I've come across.
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I don't actually.  Another one for the kindle I think!


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"There was glory in pissing, Corabb decided as he watched the stream curve out and make that familiar but unique sound as it hit the ground." So true.
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Interesting topic.

Of course alliens look like human beings. They are just a reflection or copy of us. In some sense, the "design" of alliens follows the same pattern of mythology. The creatures are just deformed clones of ourselves, and at the most are intelligent versions of ours animals.

If we ever found another intelligent life form in the universe it is quite probably it doesn't look similar to anything we have ever imaginated, and we would really be surprised then.


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Paul Davies, in his book, The Eerie Silence, speculated that any alien life we might encounter might not only be different, but so different that contact could be rather meaningless- for the aliens at least.
 
Considering the age of the universe, it could well be that some alien entities are much, much older than we. In fact, if we encounter them, it is even more likely that they have been around much longer, as they have mastered space travel, something still beyond our understanding of physics, let alone technology.
 
He also points  out that at some point, it is very likely that AI will advance to the point that is joins with, or superceeds, biological evolution, given the time scales considered here, in the millions of years, in our speculated alien civilization. There would be huge advantages for the civilization that had reached this point- life spans stretching towards immortality, and vastly expanded consciousness and intellect. Given a life span in the thousands, or millions of years, space travel would then be a reasonable proposition. The universe would be a smaller place, in effect. Projecting forward just what we can today imagine in the way of computing power, it is possible that these beings would be processing thousands of "thoughts" per second, and be living a very rich internal life. Research, speculation, exploration, and "entertainment", in the sense of running various possible scenerios, and living them through virtual reality in a system as real as our perceived existence could be going on continuously, at a rate and complexity we would find hard to grasp.
 
What they looked like wouldn't really matter that much, externally anyway. They might look like just another meteor or comet to us. And they may have nothing to say to us. By comparison, we would be living our lives at about the speed and comprehension of a cedar tree.
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Interesting CV - So aliens could be observing life in our cities as we observe life in ant colonies.  Indeed, our intelligence might be limited such that our awareness of alien life might be akin to the awareness of an ant colony to humans
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Shades of Karl Sagan! Everyone really knows what "aliens" truly look like and they are usually found just right across the border!Tongue In essence, to muse about "extraterrestrials" is merely an exercise in "fear transference" and projections of our own nightmares with respect to the possibility that all the laws of time and astro-physics will be violated so as to bring upon us a celestial visitation disassociated from religious phenomena. Beware the Carbonoids!Shocked
 
Well some aliens are also a projection of longings and wet dreams:
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Captain! Please employ a modicum of logic while at the helm of Enterprise!
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Captain! Please employ a modicum of logic while at the helm of Enterprise!
 
 
What sort of modicums did you have in mind doctor?
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Discuss the issue in terms of pins and non-corporeal entities....
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Did you actually mean incorporeal or corporeal (would make more sense)?
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Sorry Zag but the angelic hosts have dibs on the term incorporeal!

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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Captain! Please employ a modicum of logic while at the helm of Enterprise!


Please Doc. Don't swear in the name of logic... Something you have no idea what is about Wink
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There's a  new perspective on 'aliens' in BEFORE THE DELUSION  by Wm Gleeson. The ancient Egyptians called themselves 'Followers' [=descendants] of the lords who went before them. Even Abraham was a descendant of the 'lords' of Sumeria [Mesopotamia] RossMelb
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New perspective? Nope. The allien-mania is very old stuff. Even smart people have fallen in its trap, like Carl Sagan.
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Yes that's my point, that's why I said 'aliens'!  Gleeson explains the very human origin of the pyramids ... revealed plainly in the Pyramid Texts etc. He does go over some old stuff but also a lot of new insights into Egyptian literature which was mistranslated / misinterpreted in the religious mania of the late 1800s. Cheers
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Having overloaded somewhat on caffeine last night I was lying in bed flicking through channels on TV and Signs with Mel Gibson was on BBC 1.   For those of you who've not seen the film it's about crop circles and various signs etc. culminating in an alien raid on Earth, I enjoyed it for some of the humour alone.  Anyway, the aliens in this movie reflect the descriptions given by abduction freaks and attention seekers.

What's never made sense to me about this morphology is that it is humanoid which means that it evolved from a primate ancestor like us, standing upright, big head, two eyes, five fingers, etc.  Now the problem with this is obviously then that the morphology is not alien at all proving abductee claims to be utter tosh, if any proof was ever needed.


Hey Zagros,

I'm rather late by nine months in commenting on this thread, but upon reading this thread & speaking of utter tosh, it had reminded me of a tv program making the rounds currently. I don't know if anyone has heard of this crap program, but it is called something like "Mermaids: The Body Found". The premise is built around "The Aquatic Ape theory" and as a scientific documentary with paid actors playing their respective parts of NOAA scientists investigating the phenomenon and nefarious side note of a undertone with the US government taking an interests in their study and subsequently squashing it when they are very close to the truth.

The program fooled a ton of people, until it was explained to them otherwise and no doubt some refuse to believe it to have been a false documentary, a mockumentary, but the real thing! Thus, a new conspiracy theory is born. ARRRGH!

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An interesting novel was written by the Polish author Stanislaw Lem about the ultimate futility of our attempts to communicate with extraterrestial intelligence.
 
In the novel "Solaris" is an intelligent planet that had been studied by the humans for decades without any avail.
 
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Now Ancient aliens are haunting us again, in the movie Prometheus by Ridley Scott.
 
 
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On alien morphology I've always wondered whether pigmentation signalling, similar to that of squids, might be a more effective form of communication than vocal chords.  Species might gradually evolve a vocabulary and grammar but might at the same time give you a running commentary on their mood.
 
 
Also, compared with speech, an evolved squid might be able to deliver simultaneous messages. 
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That's interesting - another advantage would be clarity and range.
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omg aliens are like my fav i remember that i read here http://www.astrologyjunction.com/ about alien morphology but that was like 8 yrs ago, nd it doesn't have anything anymore ur post made me think bout it... 
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in arizona a lot of things happen though.... http://harvardcrcl.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Xenomorph_RobertFCastro.pdf  this is a pretty good doc i found online 
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There's endless debate on this. On the hand, the sort of argument that Carl Sagan suggested is that life will evolve according to its original bio-chemistry and enviroment. I agree. However, it's also true that convergent evolution pushes species toward being best suited for their enviroment. Thus Sharks, Dolphins, and Ichthyosaurs all resemble each other in form, because moving through water with the least resistance dictates some conformance to physical laws. Whilst I don't necessarily accept that intelligent space aliens have to be humanoid in form, there's every possibility that similar evolution has resulted in the same progression whatever appearance they have. There is also the point that not only are we projecting aliens with basically human attitudes and features, much like Star Trek has done since the sixties for practical reasons as much as psychological affinity, we also seem to be assuming they have humanesque motives. True, evolution may well tend to induce the same motives as Earth species for the very same reasons, but that isn't necessarily the same restriction.


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