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    Posted: 28 Jul 2020 at 06:54
Here is a screenshot from Tony Judt's book "Postwar_ A History of Europe Since 1945".

I am kinda buffled by what it says about population increase in Sweden because Sweden remained neutral during the war and barely suffered any loss of population unlike Germany. So why do you think Sweden had had such a significant population growth, way above Germany? What could be the factors behind the demographic growth in Sweden?


 


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This is wiki. There was a suggestion in this article that industrialization is linked to the population explosion. Steady paychecks and stability encourage child rearing generally speaking. 
What else do you think? 

Since 1930, emigration has been slight. About 15,000-30,000 people left Sweden annually after 1965. Sweden welcomed refugees and displaced persons at the end of World War II. Because of the low birth rate, immigration accounted for 45% of population growth between 1945 and 1980.
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

This is wiki. There was a suggestion in this article that industrialization is linked to the population explosion. Steady paychecks and stability encourage child rearing generally speaking. 
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Since 1930, emigration has been slight. About 15,000-30,000 people left Sweden annually after 1965. Sweden welcomed refugees and displaced persons at the end of World War II. Because of the low birth rate, immigration accounted for 45% of population growth between 1945 and 1980.

Thanks. Somehow I overlooked the wiki articles. The information on large inward migration seems very surprising to me. What was so special about Swedish economy that helped it to attract so many migrants, I wonder?  70,000 of Yugoslavs, 48,000 Iranians - Jesus Christ, I have no words...
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They were moving heavy water for the Nazis
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their country was relatively unscathed bombing and such


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Sweden's infrastructure wasn't destroyed I'm sure that was attractive to refugees. Let me know please if the link doesn't work.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/operation-gunnerside-the-norwegian-attack-on-heavy-water-that-deprived-the-nazis-of-the-atomic-bomb/

Operation Gunnerside: The Norwegian Attack on Heavy Water That Deprived the Nazis of the Atomic Bomb

February 28 marks the 75th anniversary of one of the most dramatic and important military missions of World War II

Operation Gunnerside: The Norwegian Attack on Heavy Water That Deprived the Nazis of the Atomic Bomb
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Sweden was unclear. But by a combination of its geopolitical location in the Scandinavian Peninsula, successful realpolitik maneuvering during an unpredictable course of events, and a dedicated military build-up after 1942, Sweden succeeded in keeping its official neutrality status throughout the war.

At the outbreak of hostilities, Sweden had held a neutral stance in international relations for more than a century, since the end of the Napoleonic Wars in 1815.[1]

Twenty European nations were neutral powers during World War II in September 1939, but only eight other European nations were able, like Sweden, to maintain this stance throughout the entire war; these were IrelandPortugal,[2] Spain,[3] AndorraLiechtensteinVatican CitySan Marino and Switzerland. The Swedish Government made a few concessions, and sometimes breached the nation's neutrality in favor of both Germany and later, the Western Allies.

During the German invasion of the Soviet Union, Sweden allowed the Wehrmacht to use Swedish railways to transport (June–July 1941) the German 163rd Infantry Division along with heavy weapons from Norway to Finland. German soldiers traveling on leave between Norway and Germany were allowed passage through Sweden—the so-called permittenttrafik. Iron ore was sold to Germany throughout the war. And for the Allies, Sweden shared military intelligence and helped to train soldiers made up of refugees from Denmark and Norway, to be used in the liberation of their home countries.[4][page needed] It also allowed the Allies to use Swedish airbases between 1944 and 1945.


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Thanks, Vanuatu. Perhaps the Swedish statistics includes migrants who arrived in Sweden from other occupied European countries during the war in order to escape its atrocities in the rest of Europe. I would expect that inflow of migrants could have been especially significant by the end of war, when Soviets made their advances to the west by taking one country after another (effectively, Soviet abroad operations spanned between Sep 1944 - May 1945). Because many folks in Europe were afraid of communism and viewed the Soviets as savages worse than Nazis (even for Germans to be sent to fight in the Eastern front was almost like death penalty). Perhaps many of those migrants stayed in Sweden in the aftermath of the war and thereby became naturalized

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How can we explain that other countries which stayed neutral during the WWII, such as Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Luxembourg, did not have the same population dynamics?
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I think that Sweden's population growth was due to how horny all the Swedes got with Seka and the Swedish porn industry....HeartWink

But seriously, my guess is Sweden's liberal policies (including economic policies) differs it from conservative Switzerland, (fascist) Spain, I see Portugal as being fairly conservative, but don't really know that much about it.
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Originally posted by Novosedoff Novosedoff wrote:

How can we explain that other countries which stayed neutral during the WWII, such as Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Luxembourg, did not have the same population dynamics?

A link for interesting abstract

Cláudia Pereira, Joana Azevedo
Pages 1-26 Open Access
 

In the period after World War II, and more emphatically from the 1960s onwards, Portuguese emigration became essentially European. ... In the 1960s and early 1970s France was Portuguese emigrants' main destination, although there were also significant flows to Germany and, on a lesser scale, to Luxembourg.Jun 18, 2019
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Originally posted by Novosedoff Novosedoff wrote:

How can we explain that other countries which stayed neutral during the WWII, such as Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Luxembourg, did not have the same population dynamics?

In the period after World War II, and more emphatically from the 1960s onwards, Portuguese emigration became essentially European. ... In the 1960s and early 1970s France was Portuguese emigrants' main destination, although there were also significant flows to Germany and, on a lesser scale, to Luxembourg.Jun 18, 2019

Yeah, Thomas Sowell shared an interesting perspective on Portugal's economy too..


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Originally posted by Novosedoff Novosedoff wrote:

Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Originally posted by Novosedoff Novosedoff wrote:

How can we explain that other countries which stayed neutral during the WWII, such as Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Luxembourg, did not have the same population dynamics?

In the period after World War II, and more emphatically from the 1960s onwards, Portuguese emigration became essentially European. ... In the 1960s and early 1970s France was Portuguese emigrants' main destination, although there were also significant flows to Germany and, on a lesser scale, to Luxembourg.Jun 18, 2019

Yeah, Thomas Sowell shared an interesting perspective on Portugal's economy too..



WW2 & the Portuguese Revolution of 1979 interrupted emigration of the Portuguese. 
The Portuguese were used as a low education labor force across EU -UK by 1980's. Massachusetts had ambitious laborers, some master builders in the US from Portugal, artists with fabric and paint, great chefs and historians. 
Thomas Sowell here in the text tells us Returnees brought their earnings and ATTITUDES that turned out to be evolutionary for the markets in their home country many Portuguese emigrants.

It's a very bad situation now due to plandemic and loss of tourism, unemployed brought on by globalists numbers of emigrants from Portugal is dwindling 
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