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Posted By: Guests
Subject: Guns from another perspective
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2015 at 12:43
Just for fun - and afterthought...  Smile" rel="nofollow -

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2015 at 04:47
While i don't take it personally, i do find the clip to be funny after all (what gun enthusiast wouldn't be aroused by the thought of leaving their gun at home and then returning to see it still oiled up and in its holster ready for some hot action?),  But... This isn't really a different perspective from our entertainment industry that i was led to believe.
This view  is the norm from the same usual suspects with a perspective of a condescending mockery that leads gun enthusiast to be so ridiculously nervous in the first place about gun laws and what they fear would be a reinterpretation of the 2nd amendment that would try and abolish their perceived rights here.

Let's re-imagine it a bit here. Imagine this clip, among thousands of other entertainment jokes made at their expense, was making a mockery of abortion rights advocates? Would they not also be upset and up in arms (Pun totally intended)!) over such a shallow disregard for their beliefs? Sure they would be and that would be their right to do so. Because there would be a massive disconnect between the people from the issue, they would do everything in their power to put this into a different light by showing there is nothing here for people to be afraid of, but fear itself. However, in the real world, abortion advocates have no need to be concerned here about media views of them. they aren't the butts of nightly jokes here like gun advocates are. Thus, the disconnect grows deeper and deeper, domestically and internationally.

So yes, while the clip is funny, i can't but help too hear a faint resigned  sigh at the end of it.

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2015 at 05:44
It's not meant as anything but what it is Panther - we are in the Tavern so it isn't an encouragement for further discussion unless someone would pick it up. - I clearly stated - Just for fun.

I'm glad you think it has a funny twist to it, as I do. 



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2015 at 05:51
For sure, the "just for fun" wasn't lost on me. :) I guess it is just the American in me and the nature of the touchy subject.  I couldn't help myself.

Posted By: Captain Vancouver
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2015 at 06:15
You might have imagined old Capn V was off in some dim corner of the bar, nursing a Guinness, and tuning in to this one. And you'd be right.

The clip was funny because we tend to laugh at people behaving like nit-wits, as these folks certainly were. We would probably also laugh at abortion rights advocates behaving in a similarly outlandish way.

The underlying message though, presented in the cynical humour that is prevalent today in America, is a rather more serious one. These aren't  just a few rustics from Molecule, W Virginia, but millions across the land, a multitude that is organized and committed. This is something to ponder.

I can remember in my formative years being lambasted by a Sargent on an army rifle range for holding my (empty at the time) rifle at not just quite the ordered downrange angle. We had it drilled into us that these weapons were lethal and deadly, and never under any circumstance to be toyed with or taken lightly. Unfortunately, in today's America many of these playful circumstances abound. Guns are everywhere (or should be), they are fun, they are necessary, they are sexy, they are items to be collected and played with, and the carnage that follows from that set of beliefs is normal, just the price of "freedom".

When we left the range, the guns were locked up. They were constrained, but we were free. Freer than those today walking into a McDonald's with a loaded M-14, although the latter will likely not comprehend this.

Posted By: wolfhnd
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2015 at 13:23

While the number of people killed in the US by firearms is tragic I think we need some perspective.

Here are some numbers from the CDC

All unintentional injury deaths

  • Number of deaths: 130,557

  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 41.3

  • Cause of death rank: 4

Unintentional fall deaths

  • Number of deaths: 30,208

  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 9.6

Motor vehicle traffic deaths

  • Number of deaths: 33,804

  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.7

Unintentional poisoning deaths

  • Number of deaths: 38,851

  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 12.3

All suicides

  • Number of deaths: 41,149

  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.0

  • Cause of death rank: 10

All homicides

  • Number of deaths: 16,121

  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.1

Firearm homicides

  • Number of deaths: 11,208

  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.5

If we compare the  homicide rate in the US to Australia's overall murder rate below we can see that it is 4 times higher in the US.

"Over the past 18 years (1 July 1989 to 30 June 2007), the rate* of homicide incidents decreased from 1.9 in 1990-91 and 1992-93 to the second-lowest recorded rate, of 1.3, in 2006-07. *rate per 100,000 population."

The US is indeed a violent place.  There are many cultural reasons why the US is more violent than other countries in addition to gun ownership.  Racial inequality, poverty, and a mystique that extends the virtues of self reliance to criminals are all potential explanations.  Any forecasted reduction in homicides would have to take these factors into consideration.   Assuming however that strict gun control as implemented in Australia were introduced in the US and there were no other factors involved it would reduce the homicide rate by 5000 deaths.  Of course that is an optimistic number but even so that would reduce the preventable death rate by 3 percent. 

No one would argue that 3 percent reduction in preventable deaths is not a worthy goal but if the same legislative attention were applied to all other area the reduction could save 41,000 lives.

I would not argue that gun legislation is not important but only that the numbers tell us that it should not be the highest safety issue before congress.

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