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Sinitics are often disrespected by Mongolics

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Topic: Sinitics are often disrespected by Mongolics
Posted By: literaryClarity
Subject: Sinitics are often disrespected by Mongolics
Date Posted: 13 May 2015 at 04:35
I often wonder why Sinitics are pressured by Mongolics into thinking that Sinitic civilization came from the north.  It is as though there was a cooked up proviso for Sinitic civilization to exist.  "It exists only under the condition that Mongolics created the civilization that it came to conquer." - Random person

mmm'kay? That proviso doesn't make any sense.  If the Sinitic civilization existed without having been conquered then it had already existed.  That is the only proviso necessary.  The existence of a civilization!  And then when it got conquered well then it got conquered.  The two issues are separate.

It would be as though Alexander's army which came to conquer the Egyptians made it a point to disrespect the Egyptians they conquered and went on to say the Egyptian civilization came from Greece and Macedonia.  I don't get that, at all.

This clothing and jewelry reconstruction and illustrated depiction shows how the ancient Sinitics have lived.  They had organization and logistics to build large structures such as those in Liangzhu type sites.  Their cities had walled enclosures running the perimeter and in the center was the palatial complex.


On the other hand Mongolians didn't have civilization.  How could they?  They were not organized along lines of cities and towns and administrative bureaucracy.  When the Yuan conquered China they had no idea what to do with it and contemplated destroying everything and turning the land to pasture for livestock.  There is a certain degree of simplicity to Mongolian life even in modern times.




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Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 13 May 2015 at 08:29
I wouldn't agree with the last part of your post, as early as the rule of Kublai Khan the Mongols were eyeing off the Chinese culture and adopting large parts of it, such as language, dress and the building of cities such as Karakoram.
 
But I do agree that "civilisation" as we generally know it, came from the south.
 
That is not to say that the Mongols were not civilised, just their civilisation was not as advanced as that of the Chinese, they were nomads with their own customs, language and traditions.


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Posted By: literaryClarity
Date Posted: 13 May 2015 at 09:41
Adopting it.  That means it didn't come from from Karakoram but Karakoram was derived off something already existing.  So why would that be Mongolian civilization?  Mongolians were not uncultured but they were without civilization.  There was no Mongolian writing until the creation of Khitan script by the use of Chinese pictorial script as phonetic representation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khitan_scripts
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The Khitan scripts were the writing systems for the now-extinct http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolic_languages" rel="nofollow - para-Mongolian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khitan_language" rel="nofollow - Khitan language http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khitan_scripts#cite_note-2" rel="nofollow - [2] used in the 10th-12th century by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khitan_people" rel="nofollow - Khitan people who had established the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liao_dynasty" rel="nofollow - Liao dynasty in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_China" rel="nofollow - Northeast China . There were two scripts, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khitan_large_script" rel="nofollow - large script and the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khitan_small_script" rel="nofollow - small script . These were functionally independent and appear to have been used simultaneously. The Khitan scripts continued to be in use to some extent by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurchen_people" rel="nofollow - Jurchen people for several decades after the fall of the Liao dynasty until the Jurchens fully switched to a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurchen_script" rel="nofollow - script of their own . Examples of the scripts appeared most often on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epitaph" rel="nofollow - epitaphs and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monument" rel="nofollow - monuments , although other fragments sometimes surface.



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Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 14 May 2015 at 13:48
Yes, that's true. Kublai wanted a city like the Chinese had, and he wanted many parts of their culture.
 
 


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2016 at 21:11
Mongolians have nomadic culture in harsh climate but they did a lot, i think its so cool thing
but i dont know about Sinitics







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