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Why did Khadafi chose to support Idi Amin?

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Topic: Why did Khadafi chose to support Idi Amin?
Posted By: BrianGhilliotti
Subject: Why did Khadafi chose to support Idi Amin?
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2017 at 03:44
I was looking up the war between Tanzania and Uganda, where Tanzanian forces invaded Uganda to remove Idi Amin, and learned that Idi Amin was able to hold out for a little while thanks to the support of a contingent of Libyan forces sent by Khadafi.

Here is an interesting article that summarizes the campaign:

http://www.monitor.co.ug/Magazines/PeoplePower/How-Mbarara--Kampala-fell-to-Tanzanian-army/689844-2294842-i5lpda/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.monitor.co.ug/Magazines/PeoplePower/How-Mbarara--Kampala-fell-to-Tanzanian-army/689844-2294842-i5lpda/index.html

The question is, why did Khadafi chose to back Idi Amin, even to the extent of deploying military assets in support of the Ugandan Army?

Did Khadafi think he could establish a base in the region that he could use to promote Libyan power and influence?

Did Khadafi see economic interests in the African Great Lakes region, and hoped to use Uganda as a country from which to back his regional economic interests with military force?

What happened to the Libyans once Idi Amin fell? Did they just flee to neighboring countries? Or did the bulk of the Libyan forces surrender, and had to be repatriated back to Libya under tough negotiations?

Brian Ghilliotti



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Posted By: franciscosan
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 21:17
Khadaffi was trying to have a hand in everything and anything in which he might promulgate power and feed his cult of personality.  Later (late eighties) he was espousing a Panafricanist rhetoric, but also by that time several African countries had severed relations with him.  Another reason (maybe) for supporting Idi Amin was Idi Amin was muslim, (or at least, I think so since he ended up in Saudi Arabia).  The biography on 'Gaddafi' on wiki, says that he later called Idi Amin a fascist, etc.  I guess that not all murderous dictators think alike.

Why did Khaddafi filter money to the IRA or the Sandinistas?  Because he had a lot of oil wealth and wanted to leverage it for power and influence.  He liked being the leader of the package of international ne'er do wells.  I think that he did not _necessarily_ have any greater game plan than that in regards to Uganda, of course I don't necessarily know, and I would love to hear if you figure out anything more on the issue.  It is an interesting topic.



Posted By: EW World
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 08:28
I also found this topic quite interesting. I was reading up on it and found this 2011 article from the Daily Monitor: http://www.monitor.co.ug/artsculture/Reviews/691232-1224424-12mafwwz/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.monitor.co.ug/artsculture/Reviews/691232-1224424-12mafwwz/index.html

My thinking is Gaddafi and Amin liked and respected each other from a far and took interest in helping each other out when it was needed. It's like when you go out of your way to help someone and they return the favor and all of a sudden you guys are friends.

I don't know if their personalities were the same, because I've heard Idi Amin was a very bizarre person. I heard he was sadist and took particular enjoyment in torturing people while they were still alive.

These are some torture methods I've come across either from the internet or from "word of mouth" stories told by people at school.

In general:
-Using a hammer to break arms and legs
-Crushing the skull with a sledgehammer or baseball bat
-Throwing people to crocodiles to be eaten alive
-Forcing people to eat the faeces of Amin or his henchmen
-Decapitating people in front of their family members

Specific to female victims of Amin:
-Raping a woman, sometimes by Amin and several of his henchmen at the same time
-Electrocuting a woman's nipples
-Inserting a snake into a woman's vagina
-Inserting a machete into a woman's buttocks until in comes out of the other side
-Using a machete to cut off a woman's breasts then eating them raw (he was said to be a cannibal)

Specific to male victims of Amin:
-Crushing a man's testicles with a hammer or with bare hands (Amin was said to have a vice grip)
-Hanging a brick from a man's testicles until he loses consciousness
-Forcing a man to rape another man or woman at gunpoint
-His favorite/most common method seems to be to strip a man naked then cut off his penis with a machete. Depending how well-endowed the man was, he would either insert the amputated penis into the screaming man's mouth or he would keep it as a trophy and put it on display in the main areas of Kampala.

Not sure if these are true and if someone can confirm them. If they are true, then he IS extremely bizarre (and with a shockingly cruel imagination) to say the least.


Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 14:54
The sort of guy you ask over for dinner.LOL

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Posted By: franciscosan
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 00:32
Amin was, I believe, muslim, and ended up in exile in Saudi Arabia.  I am not exactly sure what Saudi Arabia's rationale was for hosting him.  I do, however, believe that deals with tyrants for them stepping down, should be honored.  Whereas, they might be mass murderers and deserve prosecution, prosecution later on, means that future tyrants, are not so willing to step down.  Of course, someone like Assad won't step down because it means his people (the ethnic minority whose name I forget), would be persecuted.  He's not just holding on for himself.


Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2018 at 02:19
Muammar Mohammed Abu Minyar Gaddafi was a self centred, brutal dictator, as was Idi Amin Dada and also Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti.

They each have that in common and it could be that they formed some sort of friendship, so as to have a bolt-hole, should the need arise.

Gaddafi sponsored international terrorism, and among the trainees, no doubt there were Iraqis.

It's also of interest to note that each of them, with limited military background, promoted themselves to high military rank.(Idi Amin did serve in the Army from 1946 until 1961, reaching the rank of Lieutenant).

Quote His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular.


Now there's a title!



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