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Topic: How can one know it all?
Posted By: JonyBandana
Subject: How can one know it all?
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2018 at 02:40
Disclaimer: This is not a stupid question.

Ok, so my basic question is: How can one know about everything, without knowing everything when it comes to history?

At first glance it seems stupid, but let me give you an example:

The gunpowder plot was a really interesting event in history, yet not everyone knows about it, because the only ways to know are:
  • By living in the UK and living the celebrations,
  • By knowing a lot about history in general or about that specific region,
  • Coming accross the story by chance, like me.
I'm sure there are more ways, but you get the idea.
So basically what I want know, is there a book (textbook or not) that can give you a general idea of the most influential things that happened throughout history, or at least large periods of it? Something that doesn't go into unnecesary details, yet it tells you the gist of it all, in case you want to investigate more.
That's basically it.
Thanks for any help you can provide!



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Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2018 at 10:57
Once upon a time books called Encyclopaedia provided us with a fairly good grasp on many subjects, but they were always out of date before they were published.

These days we have the internet, the greatest collection of information, to which we all basically have access, that the world has ever seen, and even the net is not up to date.

People will always explore that which puzzles or interests them, and so we gain knowledge that we may not ever need or use, but it's there in our brain, for the day that we do want it.

Question: "How much do you know?"
Answer: "About what?"
Question: "Anything,"

And there's only one answer.

"I don't know."

So, Google it!   Wink


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It's not that I was born in Ireland,
It's the Ireland that was born in me.


Posted By: JonyBandana
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2018 at 13:53
@toyomotor: Thanks for the reply. I see what you mean, but how do I look for things that I don't know exist? I believe that's one of the reasons why books exist.
As an example, I like computer science. Recently I bought a book called "Computer Science: An overview". The first thing you read is this:
Quote This book presents an introductory survey of computer science. It explores the
breadth of the subject while including enough depth to convey an honest appreciation for the topics involved.
Is there something like that for history?


Posted By: Vanuatu
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2018 at 14:04
If you are studying on your own it might be helpful to focus on authoritative sources that will lead you to individuals.

Individuals and the branches of their influence expand the view further. Looking at a who's who in computer science and cross referencing authors help subject by subject.

Find an outline and exhaust your understanding of each topic, Lastly, keep coming back and share your questions here between us we have something valuable to offer on many subjects. I admire your self motivated pursuit of knowledge.

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Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." - Mark Twain


Posted By: JonyBandana
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2018 at 20:42
@Vanuatu: Thanks for your reply and kind words!
I'm not sure I understand your post. I don't want to study the history of computer science, I wan to learn more about the history of the world.
I'll continue my Guy Fawkes example: When I read the comic "V for Vendetta" I wanted to know:
Who is this cool guy Guy that inspired this comic?
How did the writer hear about this?
After that I started wondering, how many like him are out there that I don't know about, yet others do? How can I find this exemplary humans?
Then I came to the conclussion that googling everything was impossible since I didn't know what to look for, and googling "awesome humans that lived in the past" would land me in a never ending cascade of sensasionalist articles, so I though a book (or even better, a textbook) would be the way to go.
In short, I'm looking for a book called "Someone. History of the World: An Overview. 999th ed., Humanity, 2019.", and I wanted to know if you guys had any recommendations. (By the way, it doesn't need to be in spanish.)


Posted By: Vanuatu
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2018 at 23:58
Originally posted by JonyBandana JonyBandana wrote:

@Vanuatu: Thanks for your reply and kind words!
I'm not sure I understand your post.

hahaha
you might get used to it.

Originally posted by JonyBandana JonyBandana wrote:

In short, I'm looking for a book called "Someone. History of the World: An Overview. 999th ed., Humanity, 2019.", and I wanted to know if you guys had any recommendations. (By the way, it doesn't need to be in spanish.)


Then it's Oxford for history in my opinion.


The Oxford Handbook of World History presents thirty-one articles by leading historians on the most important issues explored by contemporary world historians. These broadly fall into four categories: conceptions of the global past, themes in world history, processes of world history, and regions in world history.
Oxford Handbook of World History - Oxford Handbooks
http://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780199235810.001.0001/oxfordh�" rel="nofollow - www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780199235810.001.0001/oxfordh� ��

*there are free versions of Oxford handbooks online


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Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." - Mark Twain


Posted By: franciscosan
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2018 at 05:20
I like "Who was When? A Dictionary of Contemporaries" by Mirriam Allen de Ford, The H.W Wilson Company NY 1950.

It is a charts of years listed down, starting with 500 BC, 495 BC... and then categories like Government and Law, Military and Naval Affairs, Philosophy and Religion, Science and Medicine, Literature, Painting and Sculpture, etc. across.  for the boxes there are names of person/people and beside them usually b. or d. (or fl. for flourish??).  It is fun to see who was contemporary with who.

What you don't know can be as important as what you do know, because knowing <some thing> can block you from learning <some thing> else.  For example, it used to be that it was assumed you had to learn Latin before you learned ancient Greek.  But now with people learning ancient Greek before learning Latin, one can see that people used to have blinders on, a Latin filter about what ancient Greek culture was, and now people without that filter are learning new things about ancient Greek culture.

If you don't know something at all, you can't learn it (you don't know it exists), and if you do know something, you can't learn it (because you already know it).  It is just in a very interest position of knowing enough, including that you don't know (it) that you can learn (it).

Oxford defines modern history as anything after the Norman invasion (seriously).




Posted By: JonyBandana
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 21:51
Sorry for the late response. Between the world cup, college, Fallout 4 and Netflix I don't even have time to open my browser. Except when my homepage is Netflix.

Heh, just kidding. My homepage is YouTube.

Anyways,
@Vanuatu: Thanks for the recommendation. I've been looking into that book and found a PDF version (not even sure if it's supposed to be free, but what the heck, I just want to check it out).
It has a very strange format. It's definitely not what I'm used to.
I'm going to write it down as an alternative, but I don't know if it's for me.
I don't think it's bad, but would it kill them to add a few images? Tongue
Learning alone is hard enough!
However, from all the research I've done, it seems like the best candidate.
By the way, I think something happened to your link, so this is the real one: http://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780199235810.001.0001/oxfordhb-9780199235810 .

@franciscosan: That seems like something I'd be interested in. Sadly, the book seems rather unpopular. I don't think it'd be easy to get it in Argentina. In spanish or otherwise.

I found a http://www.historycentral.com/dates/" rel="nofollow - similar website though. Very nice project.

Quote If you don't know something at all, you can't learn it (you don't know it exists), and if you do know something, you can't learn it (because you already know it).  It is just in a very interest position of knowing enough, including that you don't know (it) that you can learn (it).

I agree. That's why I want a book. It can tell me what's out there, so I can later research further if I'm interested.

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I'll keep looking and come back to ask your opinions. In the meantime I'll read the Oxford book and see if that's what I'm looking for.


Posted By: Vanuatu
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2018 at 01:45
Hi
With Oxford, research encyclopedias, archaic texts and scholarly reviews have a library format and Oxford expects you to register and probably pay for content but searching under Oxford by subject will produce information and images. 




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Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." - Mark Twain


Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2018 at 05:56
Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Hi
With Oxford, research encyclopedias, archaic texts and scholarly reviews have a library format and Oxford expects you to register and probably pay for content but searching under Oxford by subject will produce information and images. 


Regardless of how much you read or listen to, no human being can know everything-ever!Geek


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It's not that I was born in Ireland,
It's the Ireland that was born in me.


Posted By: JonyBandana
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2018 at 18:12
@Vanuatu: Yes it seems that way. Anyways I was trying to determine if I was gonna buy it or not, so not harm done.

@toyomotor: I agree. That's why I said

Originally posted by me me wrote:

How can one know about everything, without knowing everything

I just want to read from someone who knows a lot, who, in turn, read from someone like that as well.

It's not everything, but it's a start :)



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